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<blockquote data-quote="DonTadow" data-source="post: 5777470" data-attributes="member: 22622"><p>YOu're kidding right? You do know I have been reviewing game systems as a cushy side job for the last 10 years? </p><p></p><p>Dnd isn't pulling in the number of people it did or even should be. With fantasy being so popular now, people should be coming in droves to play it. But the last few editions have been so "made for the old gamer" that we either go overboard trying to attract them "4e" or fail to realize the things that would bring them in... like ease of use. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Cool down effect systems frequently are accompanied by some type of exhaustion system. </p><p></p><p>I didnt even mention the horror in trying to balance new spells. Or that every game table has a player or two or three who fudges their spells left. Or the extra preparation i have to do to keep track of what level of spells do what and who used it when. </p><p></p><p>If 5e is like 4e, you wouldn't need to worry about powerful spells that take you out of combat completely, so things like sleep or charm will disable, but not prevent. </p><p></p><p>And yes 20 years ago, final fantasy used the Vancien system. As did a game called Shadowbane and I think the old Wizardry. All of which are 20 years old and counting. </p><p></p><p>Let's face it, if this game is going to survive, the mean age of it has to significantly rise. </p><p></p><p>I'm betting the people who like the Vancien system has not gamed with a person 15 or 20 years thier junior. I have. I have 2 in my game right now and I have been getting some interesting feedback to the point where i've house ruled a ton of pathfinder stuff just to modernize it a bit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DonTadow, post: 5777470, member: 22622"] YOu're kidding right? You do know I have been reviewing game systems as a cushy side job for the last 10 years? Dnd isn't pulling in the number of people it did or even should be. With fantasy being so popular now, people should be coming in droves to play it. But the last few editions have been so "made for the old gamer" that we either go overboard trying to attract them "4e" or fail to realize the things that would bring them in... like ease of use. Cool down effect systems frequently are accompanied by some type of exhaustion system. I didnt even mention the horror in trying to balance new spells. Or that every game table has a player or two or three who fudges their spells left. Or the extra preparation i have to do to keep track of what level of spells do what and who used it when. If 5e is like 4e, you wouldn't need to worry about powerful spells that take you out of combat completely, so things like sleep or charm will disable, but not prevent. And yes 20 years ago, final fantasy used the Vancien system. As did a game called Shadowbane and I think the old Wizardry. All of which are 20 years old and counting. Let's face it, if this game is going to survive, the mean age of it has to significantly rise. I'm betting the people who like the Vancien system has not gamed with a person 15 or 20 years thier junior. I have. I have 2 in my game right now and I have been getting some interesting feedback to the point where i've house ruled a ton of pathfinder stuff just to modernize it a bit. [/QUOTE]
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