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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5777561" data-attributes="member: 54877">True, in Dying Earth and most of the other stories.&nbsp; But in Rhialto, which is an earlier tale, the magicians have not sunk so low.&nbsp; Plus, the have access to summoned creatures (&quot;sandestins&quot;?) who can perform all kinds of magical things for them, and pay them in some magical currency which is not fully explained but aluded to.&nbsp;That's why I've said that in some ways Basic D&amp;D (before characters get far into the Expert set) and 4E are the most truly Vanican versions of D&amp;D.&nbsp; Of course, the flavor and rationale of the sandestins is not there at all, but the concept of a handful of truly big guns supported by a lot of essentially low-powered but repeateable effects and a few consumable more powerfull effects, is roughly modeled.&nbsp; (The 4E at-wills are roughly comparable to handing out early low-powered wands in Basic, albeit with less of a combat focus in the latter, and more subject to variations in play style.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5777561, member: 54877"] True, in Dying Earth and most of the other stories. But in Rhialto, which is an earlier tale, the magicians have not sunk so low. Plus, the have access to summoned creatures ("sandestins"?) who can perform all kinds of magical things for them, and pay them in some magical currency which is not fully explained but aluded to. That's why I've said that in some ways Basic D&D (before characters get far into the Expert set) and 4E are the most truly Vanican versions of D&D. Of course, the flavor and rationale of the sandestins is not there at all, but the concept of a handful of truly big guns supported by a lot of essentially low-powered but repeateable effects and a few consumable more powerfull effects, is roughly modeled. (The 4E at-wills are roughly comparable to handing out early low-powered wands in Basic, albeit with less of a combat focus in the latter, and more subject to variations in play style.) [/QUOTE]

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