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Vancian? Why can't we let it go?
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<blockquote data-quote="kinem" data-source="post: 5777800" data-attributes="member: 24234"><p>Check; it's an extremely simple system. Cast it and it's gone for the day.</p><p></p><p>Call me what you will, but I wouldn't want to play a game like D&D with anyone who has trouble grasping that concept.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The reason why you can't swap on the fly is known to everyone: wizard spells need to be prepared in advance. Casting a spell is just unleashing it; the real work is in preparing it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#wizardSpellSlots" target="_blank">nothing stopping you</a> from using 3rd level slots to prepare 2nd level spells. It's just rarely done due to the power lost.</p><p></p><p>I do prefer 3e's "spell preparation" flavor over previous editions' use of "spell memorization". "Forgetting" spells never made too much sense; luckily it never made an appearance in 3.X. Instead you use up prepared spells. People still make the mistake of calling spell preparation "memorization" though.</p><p></p><p>I actually agree that you shouldn't always have to wait a full day to prepare new spells, but there has to be some limit on it.</p><p></p><p>I also agree with those who have suggested that low-level at-will abilities should be added. Perhaps spells of less than half the level of your highest level spell should not be used up when cast. You'd still pick which ones to prepare, as with Pathfinder's cantrips. Spells would have to be balanced for this though. Certain powerful spells could be exceptions and still get used up when cast, such as the cure spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>High level spellcasters - especially wizards - do get too complicated at times, but that's why the wizard shouldn't be the only option for a magic user.</p><p></p><p>Another simplification might be to make spells more flexible somehow. Maybe if you prepare a fire spell, you should be allowed to choose on the fly whether to make it single target or area of effect, for example. That way you don't need to worry as much about picking the right spells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kinem, post: 5777800, member: 24234"] Check; it's an extremely simple system. Cast it and it's gone for the day. Call me what you will, but I wouldn't want to play a game like D&D with anyone who has trouble grasping that concept. The reason why you can't swap on the fly is known to everyone: wizard spells need to be prepared in advance. Casting a spell is just unleashing it; the real work is in preparing it. There's [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#wizardSpellSlots"]nothing stopping you[/URL] from using 3rd level slots to prepare 2nd level spells. It's just rarely done due to the power lost. I do prefer 3e's "spell preparation" flavor over previous editions' use of "spell memorization". "Forgetting" spells never made too much sense; luckily it never made an appearance in 3.X. Instead you use up prepared spells. People still make the mistake of calling spell preparation "memorization" though. I actually agree that you shouldn't always have to wait a full day to prepare new spells, but there has to be some limit on it. I also agree with those who have suggested that low-level at-will abilities should be added. Perhaps spells of less than half the level of your highest level spell should not be used up when cast. You'd still pick which ones to prepare, as with Pathfinder's cantrips. Spells would have to be balanced for this though. Certain powerful spells could be exceptions and still get used up when cast, such as the cure spells. High level spellcasters - especially wizards - do get too complicated at times, but that's why the wizard shouldn't be the only option for a magic user. Another simplification might be to make spells more flexible somehow. Maybe if you prepare a fire spell, you should be allowed to choose on the fly whether to make it single target or area of effect, for example. That way you don't need to worry as much about picking the right spells. [/QUOTE]
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