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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 5779877" data-attributes="member: 710">I don't see the &quot;core&quot; of D&amp;D in any edition ever going entirely away from Vancian magic. But there could be ways to expand what &quot;Vancian&quot; magic is and how it works. I also think it gives it a kinda... &quot;mystical&quot; feeling. It's weird, unusual.D&amp;D 4 itnroduced At-Will and Encounter spells. In D&amp;D 4, these were still separated from each other, each was a unique category of spells, and you learned each of them independently of each other. But what if we changed this a little - the spell you memorize basically gives you access to 3 versions of the spell - one At-Will, one Encounter, and one Daily. Fireball would come with Scorching Burst (At-Will), Fire Burst (Encounter) and Fireball (Daily). Fly could be Feather Fall (At-Will), Jump (Encounter) and Fly (Daily). The spells become thematically linked with each other. You don't memorize dozens or so of spells, even at higher levels. Maybe never more than 4 6. This should cut down the complexity somewhat. And it would maintain some mystical element, but also some &quot;sense&quot; behind it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 5779877, member: 710"] I don't see the "core" of D&D in any edition ever going entirely away from Vancian magic. But there could be ways to expand what "Vancian" magic is and how it works. I also think it gives it a kinda... "mystical" feeling. It's weird, unusual. D&D 4 itnroduced At-Will and Encounter spells. In D&D 4, these were still separated from each other, each was a unique category of spells, and you learned each of them independently of each other. But what if we changed this a little - the spell you memorize basically gives you access to 3 versions of the spell - one At-Will, one Encounter, and one Daily. Fireball would come with Scorching Burst (At-Will), Fire Burst (Encounter) and Fireball (Daily). Fly could be Feather Fall (At-Will), Jump (Encounter) and Fly (Daily). The spells become thematically linked with each other. You don't memorize dozens or so of spells, even at higher levels. Maybe never more than 4 6. This should cut down the complexity somewhat. And it would maintain some mystical element, but also some "sense" behind it. [/QUOTE]

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