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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 5781943" data-attributes="member: 5142">Except that's completely irrelevant to my question, as I'm not talking about D&D Next, but strictly about whether a Vancian magic system would be created for a D&D clone if Vancian magic was removed. If yes, then dismissively telling non-Vancianites that can just go play another D&D clone with non-Vancian magic is a moot point, because removing Vancian magic could just as easily produce a D&D-clone with Vancian magic that the Vancianites can play. The point being is that it's a situation that no one on either side of the fence ultimately wants, hence my appraisal of Ranes's argument: "Really? What that tells me is that people want a viable way to play D&D without Vancian magic, and this certainly does not require expunging Vancian magic from D&D." So I'll answer your original question: I assume that Vancian fans would feel precisely the same as those non-Vancian fans who are told to go play another game system instead and are exiled into the wilderness to create a D&D clone with non-Vancian magic. Not exactly a comforting feeling, which I'm sure you would not want to be a part of.Edit: I would give you XP, Danny, as I genuinely think we've come a long way in reaching a mutual understanding in our conversations, but I'm afraid that you are likely only a few XP away from ascending to godhood.</blockquote>