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<blockquote data-quote="Dreeble" data-source="post: 2863733" data-attributes="member: 7322">Heya:&nbsp;Grain of salt, of course, but I've read that in the beta they're lucky to get 100 people playing at peak times.&nbsp; I'm assuming they've invited more than 100 people into the beta, which tells me that Vanguard _as a beta_ just isn't particularly fun right now.&nbsp;The obvious response to that is, omfg it's a beta you noob, they should be testing.&nbsp;The obvious response to that is, World of Warcraft beta was incredibly, incredibly fun.&nbsp; Not for you reading this, of course.&nbsp; You're better than that.&nbsp; Just for the hundreds of thousands of people in the beta towards the end.&nbsp;So, that bodes ill for Vanguard, in my opinion.&nbsp;Regarding the &quot;hardcore&quot; thing, ya know, I read the same thing way back when.&nbsp; That Vanguard would be for the &quot;hardcore&quot; players.&nbsp; It turns out they meant &quot;core&quot; players, not &quot;hardcore&quot;.&nbsp; I'm not sure what &quot;core&quot; players means, except it's not &quot;hardcore&quot;.&nbsp;For me, I'll state that corpse runs just ain't fun, trivial loot code just ain't fun, durability just ain't fun, hugely long travel times just ain't fun, forced grouping just ain't fun, etc.&nbsp;The death penalty in World of Warcraft, by the way, is listening on vent to half the guild bitching about the raid wiping, blaming people, whining, moaning, running back to the zone, running back to where we wiped, rezzing up, rebuffing, oh, people are afk, waiting for them to come back to the keyboard, oh, somebody didn't get buffed, get buffed, okay, ready?&nbsp; Great, keel the bad monster!&nbsp; Woo.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dreeble, post: 2863733, member: 7322"] Heya: Grain of salt, of course, but I've read that in the beta they're lucky to get 100 people playing at peak times. I'm assuming they've invited more than 100 people into the beta, which tells me that Vanguard _as a beta_ just isn't particularly fun right now. The obvious response to that is, omfg it's a beta you noob, they should be testing. The obvious response to that is, World of Warcraft beta was incredibly, incredibly fun. Not for you reading this, of course. You're better than that. Just for the hundreds of thousands of people in the beta towards the end. So, that bodes ill for Vanguard, in my opinion. Regarding the "hardcore" thing, ya know, I read the same thing way back when. That Vanguard would be for the "hardcore" players. It turns out they meant "core" players, not "hardcore". I'm not sure what "core" players means, except it's not "hardcore". For me, I'll state that corpse runs just ain't fun, trivial loot code just ain't fun, durability just ain't fun, hugely long travel times just ain't fun, forced grouping just ain't fun, etc. The death penalty in World of Warcraft, by the way, is listening on vent to half the guild bitching about the raid wiping, blaming people, whining, moaning, running back to the zone, running back to where we wiped, rezzing up, rebuffing, oh, people are afk, waiting for them to come back to the keyboard, oh, somebody didn't get buffed, get buffed, okay, ready? Great, keel the bad monster! Woo. [/QUOTE]

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