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<blockquote data-quote="Joker" data-source="post: 2040520" data-attributes="member: 826">This is my shot at a different kind of Cleric, one that doesn't need a god for spells.Any and all critique is welcome but be gentle, I'm fragile.Ur-Priest (Variant Base class)Ur-priests despise gods.&nbsp; However, a small number of them have learned to tap into divine power and use it for their own needs without praying to or worshipping a deity.&nbsp; Instead, each day they go into a trance and mentally steal the power that gods normally channel to devout clerics.&nbsp; The fluff continues in Complete Divine <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />.Hit Die: d8Alignment:&nbsp; Any Evil (Though this can be changed of course depending on the campaign)Class Skills:&nbsp; The Ur-Priests class skills are Bluff, Concentration, Craft, Knowledge (Arcana, the Planes and Religion), Profession and Spellcraft.Skill Points at First Level:&nbsp; 4*(2+int mod)Skill Points at Each Level:&nbsp; 2+int modClass&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Base&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fort&nbsp; &nbsp; Ref&nbsp; &nbsp; Will&nbsp; &nbsp; Level&nbsp; Attack Bonus&nbsp; Save&nbsp; Save&nbsp; Save&nbsp;&nbsp; Special1st&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Aura of Evil, Chosen Domain2nd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +33rd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Rebuke Undead4th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +45th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +1&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +46th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Second Chosen Domain7th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +58th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +69th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +610th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +7/+2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Siphon Spell Power11th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +8/+3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 12th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +9/+4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +813th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +9/+4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +814th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +10/+5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +4&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +915th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +11/+6/+1&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Steal Spell-Like Ability16th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +12/+7/+2&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; +1017th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +12/+7/+2&nbsp; &nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +5&nbsp; &nbsp; +1018th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +13/+8/+3&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; +1119th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +14/+9/+4&nbsp; &nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; +1120th&nbsp; &nbsp; +15/+10/+5&nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +6&nbsp; &nbsp; +12Spell Per DayClassLevel&nbsp;&nbsp; 0th&nbsp;&nbsp; 1st&nbsp;&nbsp; 2nd&nbsp;&nbsp; 3rd&nbsp;&nbsp; 4th&nbsp;&nbsp; 5th&nbsp;&nbsp; 6th&nbsp;&nbsp; 7th&nbsp;&nbsp; 8th&nbsp;&nbsp; 9th1st&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 0+12nd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 1+13rd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 2+1&nbsp; 0+14th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 2+1&nbsp; 1+15th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0+16th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1+17th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp; 0+18th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp; 1+19th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0+110th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1+111th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0+112th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1+113th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp; 0+114th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp; 1+115th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0+116th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1+117th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0+118th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1+119th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 2+120th&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 5+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 4+1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3+1Class FeaturesWeapon and Armor Profiency:&nbsp; Ur-Priests are proficient with simple weapons and with light armor and light shields.Aura (Ex):&nbsp; An ur-priest has a particularly powerful evil aura.Spell per day:&nbsp; An ur-priest has the ability to cast a number of divine spells.&nbsp; To cast a spell, and ur-priest must havea Wisdom score of at least 10 + the spell's level, so am ir-priest with a Wisdom of 10 or lower cannot cast these spells.&nbsp; Ur-priest bonus spells are based on Wisdom, and saving throws against these spells havea DC of 10 + spell level + Wisdom modifier.&nbsp; Whenever an ur-priest gains 0 spells of a given level he only gains the bonus spells he would be entitled to because of a high Wisdom score.Spell Known:&nbsp; The ur-priest selects an number of spells from the cleric list equal to twenty + wisdom modifier per spell level.&nbsp; The ur-priest can drop a spell known like a sorcerer at 5th level and every odd level after that.&nbsp; He can also learn a lower level instead of a higher level.&nbsp; He cannot, however, spontaneously cast inflict spells.Domains, and Domain Spells:&nbsp; At 1st and 6th level an ur-priest selects a domain that best represent his spiritual inclinations and abilities.&nbsp; In the case of the War domain, the ur-priest may select a simple or martial weapon to be proficient with and to receive the Weapon-Focus feat for.&nbsp; The +1 on the spell per day table represents the domain spell.Rebuke Undead:&nbsp; The ur-priest can rebuke undead as a cleric who is two levels lower.Siphon Spell Power (Ex):&nbsp; Because they steal whatever power they can, ur-priests learn to manipulate their energy in ways that confound other casters.&nbsp; An ur-priest of 10th level or higher can temporarily sacrifice two (or more) lower-level spell slots and use those slots to prepare a higher level spell.&nbsp; The higher-level spell must be of a level the ur-priest can cast.&nbsp; Only one exhange of this sort can be made each day.&nbsp; The levels of the lower-level slots are totaled, then reduced to three-quarters (round down) to determine the level of the extra higher-level spell slot.&nbsp; For example, an ur-priest who sacrifices a 3rd-level spell and a 5th-level spell can use that spell slot to prepare and additional 6th-level spell.Steal Spell-Like Ability (Su):&nbsp; The most powerful ur-priests can use the same techniques that siphon off the gods' spell power to steal the spell-like abilities of another creature.&nbsp; Once each day, when a creature with spell-like abilities is within 50 feet of a 15th level ur-priest, the ur-priest can choose one of the spell-like abilities of the creature to steal for himself.&nbsp; The ur-priest can use the spell-like ability as often as the creature can, or three times per day, whichever is less.&nbsp; The ur-priest uses the ability as the creature with regard to caster level and DC's.&nbsp; This ability only lasts 24 hours.&nbsp; The creature with the spell-like ability does not lose the ability when the ur-priest steals it.&nbsp; If an ur-priest tries to steal a spell-like ability that the creature doesn't have, or tries to steal an ability that is supernatural rather than spell-like, the attempt automatically fails.&nbsp; The ur-priest must provide a material component if costs more than 1gp and must pay any xp cost the spell would have.I think that's about it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Joker, post: 2040520, member: 826"] This is my shot at a different kind of Cleric, one that doesn't need a god for spells. Any and all critique is welcome but be gentle, I'm fragile. Ur-Priest (Variant Base class) Ur-priests despise gods. However, a small number of them have learned to tap into divine power and use it for their own needs without praying to or worshipping a deity. Instead, each day they go into a trance and mentally steal the power that gods normally channel to devout clerics. The fluff continues in Complete Divine :D. Hit Die: d8 Alignment: Any Evil (Though this can be changed of course depending on the campaign) Class Skills: The Ur-Priests class skills are Bluff, Concentration, Craft, Knowledge (Arcana, the Planes and Religion), Profession and Spellcraft. Skill Points at First Level: 4*(2+int mod) Skill Points at Each Level: 2+int mod Class Base Fort Ref Will Level Attack Bonus Save Save Save Special 1st +0 +0 +0 +2 Aura of Evil, Chosen Domain 2nd +1 +0 +0 +3 3rd +2 +1 +1 +3 Rebuke Undead 4th +3 +1 +1 +4 5th +3 +1 +1 +4 6th +4 +2 +2 +5 Second Chosen Domain 7th +5 +2 +2 +5 8th +6/+1 +2 +2 +6 9th +6/+1 +3 +3 +6 10th +7/+2 +3 +3 +7 Siphon Spell Power 11th +8/+3 +3 +3 +7 12th +9/+4 +4 +4 +8 13th +9/+4 +4 +4 +8 14th +10/+5 +4 +4 +9 15th +11/+6/+1 +5 +5 +9 Steal Spell-Like Ability 16th +12/+7/+2 +5 +5 +10 17th +12/+7/+2 +5 +5 +10 18th +13/+8/+3 +6 +6 +11 19th +14/+9/+4 +6 +6 +11 20th +15/+10/+5 +6 +6 +12 Spell Per Day Class Level 0th 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 1st 3 0+1 2nd 4 1+1 3rd 4 2+1 0+1 4th 5 2+1 1+1 5th 5 3+1 2+1 0+1 6th 5 3+1 2+1 1+1 7th 6 3+1 3+1 2+1 0+1 8th 6 4+1 3+1 2+1 1+1 9th 6 4+1 3+1 3+1 2+1 0+1 10th 6 4+1 4+1 3+1 2+1 1+1 11th 6 4+1 4+1 3+1 3+1 2+1 0+1 12th 6 5+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 2+1 1+1 13th 6 5+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 3+1 2+1 0+1 14th 6 5+1 5+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 2+1 1+1 15th 6 5+1 5+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 3+1 2+1 0+1 16th 6 5+1 5+1 5+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 2+1 1+1 17th 6 5+1 5+1 5+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 3+1 2+1 0+1 18th 6 5+1 5+1 5+1 5+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 2+1 1+1 19th 6 5+1 5+1 5+1 5+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 3+1 2+1 20th 6 5+1 5+1 5+1 5+1 5+1 4+1 4+1 4+1 3+1 Class Features Weapon and Armor Profiency: Ur-Priests are proficient with simple weapons and with light armor and light shields. Aura (Ex): An ur-priest has a particularly powerful evil aura. Spell per day: An ur-priest has the ability to cast a number of divine spells. To cast a spell, and ur-priest must havea Wisdom score of at least 10 + the spell's level, so am ir-priest with a Wisdom of 10 or lower cannot cast these spells. Ur-priest bonus spells are based on Wisdom, and saving throws against these spells havea DC of 10 + spell level + Wisdom modifier. Whenever an ur-priest gains 0 spells of a given level he only gains the bonus spells he would be entitled to because of a high Wisdom score. Spell Known: The ur-priest selects an number of spells from the cleric list equal to twenty + wisdom modifier per spell level. The ur-priest can drop a spell known like a sorcerer at 5th level and every odd level after that. He can also learn a lower level instead of a higher level. He cannot, however, spontaneously cast inflict spells. Domains, and Domain Spells: At 1st and 6th level an ur-priest selects a domain that best represent his spiritual inclinations and abilities. In the case of the War domain, the ur-priest may select a simple or martial weapon to be proficient with and to receive the Weapon-Focus feat for. The +1 on the spell per day table represents the domain spell. Rebuke Undead: The ur-priest can rebuke undead as a cleric who is two levels lower. Siphon Spell Power (Ex): Because they steal whatever power they can, ur-priests learn to manipulate their energy in ways that confound other casters. An ur-priest of 10th level or higher can temporarily sacrifice two (or more) lower-level spell slots and use those slots to prepare a higher level spell. The higher-level spell must be of a level the ur-priest can cast. Only one exhange of this sort can be made each day. The levels of the lower-level slots are totaled, then reduced to three-quarters (round down) to determine the level of the extra higher-level spell slot. For example, an ur-priest who sacrifices a 3rd-level spell and a 5th-level spell can use that spell slot to prepare and additional 6th-level spell. Steal Spell-Like Ability (Su): The most powerful ur-priests can use the same techniques that siphon off the gods' spell power to steal the spell-like abilities of another creature. Once each day, when a creature with spell-like abilities is within 50 feet of a 15th level ur-priest, the ur-priest can choose one of the spell-like abilities of the creature to steal for himself. The ur-priest can use the spell-like ability as often as the creature can, or three times per day, whichever is less. The ur-priest uses the ability as the creature with regard to caster level and DC's. This ability only lasts 24 hours. The creature with the spell-like ability does not lose the ability when the ur-priest steals it. If an ur-priest tries to steal a spell-like ability that the creature doesn't have, or tries to steal an ability that is supernatural rather than spell-like, the attempt automatically fails. The ur-priest must provide a material component if costs more than 1gp and must pay any xp cost the spell would have. I think that's about it. [/QUOTE]

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