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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tingbudong" data-source="post: 2548810" data-attributes="member: 36118">Hi,while I think the 3.XE multiclass rules are a very good system, they sometimes have trouble emulating some archetypes, especially when it involves spellcasters. This almost always leads to the need for a prestige class, which has sort of a compromise between the two base classes, such as the spellsword being a mixture between fighters and wizards, or to the introduction of a whole new base class which fills the niche of the class combination but over time can lead to a huge inflation in classes.Another approach would be the Gestalt rules, but they are not compatible with regular characters due to the increased power levels, which is not exactly satisfying for everyday gaming either.So I thought it would be an interesting idea to try an approach somewhere in the middle. The idea was to use a variant of the Gestalt rules where instead of taking the best of both worlds, you take the average. So, for example, when you mix a fighter (d10 HD) with a rogue (d6 HD), you would end up with a d8 HD (which is exactly what effectively happens when you alternate between taking classes in fighter and rogue).The only rules change I found the need for implementing for so far was the medium save progression.level - bonus1 - +12 - +23 - +24 - +35 - +36 - +37 - +48 - +49 - +510 - +511 - +512 - +613 - +614 - +715 - +716 - +717 - +818 - +819 - +920 - +9So I broke down the basic features of the classes and assigned points values to them to compare classes better. So when you combine two classes you find the average for each category and use the corresponding feature, rounding where it makes sense. The sum for all categories can give an indication of the overall power of the combination.Example: Suppose you want to play a fighter/sorceror. The fighter's d10 HD has a points value of 2 (see below) and the sorceror's d4 HD has a value of -4. The average of that is -1, which is not an element of the table. So depending on whether your focus is more on the fighter or the spellcasting side, you could either settle for a d6 or a d8 HD and note down -2 or 0 points, depending on your choice. This process would be repeated for all features.Hit DiceD4 – -4D6 – -2D8 – 0D10 – 2D12 – 4BAB½ - -2¾ - 01/1 – 2saving throwsgood –2medium – 0poor – -2skill points per level2 - -14 – 06 – 18 – 2Weapon ProficienciesFew (e.g. wizard or druid) -1Simple 0Simple & martial 1Armor Proficiency (armor cost doubles for divine spellcasters)None -2Light -1Medium 0Heavy 1Shield +1MiscAlignment restriction -1Multiclass restriction -1Condition on class abilities (alignment, action, etc.) -2Misc restriction or drawback -1Full spell progression (9 levels – druid, sorcerer, wizard, cleric) +5Minor Spell Progression (paladin, ranger, bard) +5Removed class feature and all following features depending on it -1Delay spell level gains by 1 level (full progression) or by 2 levels (partial progression) -1Halve spells per day -2 (full progression) -1 (partial progression)Example CombinationFighter/WizardD6 HD -2 Pts¾ BAB 0 Ptsmedium fortitude, medium will, poor reflex -2 Pts2 SP/lv -1 PtMedium armor & shields 1 PtFull spell progression 5 PtsNet 1 PtRogue/SorcerorD6 HD -2 Pts¾ BAB 0 Ptsmedium reflex, medium will, poor fortitude -2 Pts6 SP/lvl 1 Ptsimple weapons & rogue weapons 0 PtsLight armor -1 PtFull spell progression 5 PtsNet 1 PtDruid/RangerD8 HD 0 Pts¾ BAB 0 Ptsgood reflex, medium fortitude, medium will 2 Pts4 SP/lv 0 PtsSimple weapon 0 PtsLight Armor & Shields 0 PtsFull spell progression 5 PtsRemoved wild empathy -1 PtRemoved ranger's companion -1 PtRemoved timeless body -1 PtRemoved venom immunity -1 PtRemoved elemental wild shape -1 PtNet 2 PtsWizard/ClericD6 HD -2 Pts½ BAB -2 Ptgood will, medium fortitude, poor reflex 0 Pts2 sp/lv -1 PtSimple weapons 0 PtsLight Armor -1 PtTwo Full spell progressions 10 PtsCondition on clerical class abilities -2Net 2 PtBased on this rough sketch, the fighter/wizard and rogue/sorceror seems to work out fine. The druid/ranger shows that some builds need to remove several class abilities to keep balance, otherwise they just get a too high amount. The wizard/cleric is not surprisingly the most powerful of the examples, but it should still work out since the total numbers of spells are not increased (two halved progressions). If it turns out to be too much, you could remove the wizard bonus feats or the cleric's turn undead.I hope this makes sense, I just sort of threw some tables together after I had the idea. Has anybody got some feedback on whether or not this could work?tbd</blockquote>

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