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Message: <blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 1577402" data-attributes="member: 1165">Is he suppose to retire at 5th-level? No, I don't think so.He would be doing the same thing as the other non-spellcasting classes.He doesn't. He's not outright better than any of the other fighting classes, but he does have more skills than anyone but the rogue (and he's tougher than the rogue - a few more hit points and a good Fort save).Isn't that like taking a powerful class (the cleric) and trading in Turn Undead for something more powerful? A cleric can do that, but it will cost him feat slots. (Or he can take a busted PrC.)Anytime a new ranger thread comes up, there's usually a list of class features people look at, not all of which are stolen from the barbarian <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />The general purpose is to take the ranger's skills and make them more useful - for instance, Camouflage is a great example. It takes an existing skill (Hide) and makes it a lot more useful (you can hide without cover). I think Hide in Plain Sight went a bit too far, however.]Fair enough, but a few abilities (mainly fast movement and uncanny dodge) come up over and over again. I'm not too fond of uncanny dodge (you already have Listen and Spot as class skills) but I do think it's more flavorful than Evasion.Bardic music is supernatural.That would be an NPC expert with lots of ranks in Perform (storytelling). Of course, if he had a great BAB and some other cool features, he would be a PC class.(D20 Modern has a very similar Charismatic Hero class that can do something similar to the bard without magic.)Perhaps that is so (I think the fighter needs more powerful high BAB feats, rather than more feats) but Weapon Specialization is still the "classic" fighter feature. No one is proposing giving a ranger rage, for instance.</blockquote>

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