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<blockquote data-quote="master arminas" data-source="post: 5749129" data-attributes="member: 9287">At low level, wizards are the easiest thing in the game to kill.&nbsp; It has been like that since 1st edition AD&amp;D, and is partly because of the sheer power they can generate at high levels.And how does your proposed method of making them buy the scrolls to learn these spells stop that problem?&nbsp; If they are high enough level, if they want to spend the money, and if they want to use this tactic, then they will still do so.Boo-hoo.&nbsp; Magic changes the game.&nbsp; Hello!&nbsp; It has been that way since Gygax first wrote the rules.1st edition AD&amp;D and the even older Basic, Expert, etc. Sets are the foundation of the game.&nbsp; Wizards have always been the single most powerful high level character.&nbsp; They pay for this by being riducously easy to kill, cripple, or render useless at lower levels.&nbsp; To understand why things are the way they are, it helps to understand where the game started and why it has evolved.So don't allow Wizards in your game at all.&nbsp; Because your 'fix' to this problem doesn't fix the problem you seem to be having.If you are going to twist my words, you could quote the entire section.&nbsp; Unless you deliberately attempting to be obtuse.&nbsp; I said the following:YOU are the one who keeps insisting that the Wizard doesn't need to buy equipment.&nbsp; I did point out (see the bolded text in the quote above) that the Wizard needs magical equipment just like the rest of the party.In which case it seems like your problem is not with how many spells a Wizard gets, you have a problem that he has any spells that change your pre-conceived notions of the game.&nbsp; Dude, magic is a game-changer; it breaks the rules and it does allow for . . . (wait for it) . . . magical effects that exceed what is humanly (or elvenly or dwarvenly) possible.&nbsp; If it is really this much of problem then just ban all spellcasting classes in your game.Or, maybe, you can adapt and deal with a Wizard's spells and versatility in a reasonable fashion that doesn't destroy the class and the fun a player is suppossed to have.&nbsp; Either way, it is your game, do what you want.&nbsp; Just don't be suprised if you wind up with no players once you royallly piss them off by ruining their fun.Master Arminas</blockquote>

[QUOTE="master arminas, post: 5749129, member: 9287"] At low level, wizards are the easiest thing in the game to kill. It has been like that since 1st edition AD&D, and is partly because of the sheer power they can generate at high levels. And how does your proposed method of making them buy the scrolls to learn these spells stop that problem? If they are high enough level, if they want to spend the money, and if they want to use this tactic, then they will still do so. Boo-hoo. Magic changes the game. [B]Hello![/B] It has been that way since Gygax first wrote the rules. 1st edition AD&D and the even older Basic, Expert, etc. Sets are the foundation of the game. Wizards have always been the single most powerful high level character. They pay for this by being riducously easy to kill, cripple, or render useless at lower levels. To understand why things are the way they are, it helps to understand where the game started and why it has evolved. So don't allow Wizards in your game at all. Because your 'fix' to this problem [i]doesn't fix the problem[/i] you seem to be having. If you are going to twist my words, you could quote the entire section. Unless you deliberately attempting to be obtuse. I said the following: [i]YOU[/i] are the one who keeps insisting that the Wizard doesn't need to buy equipment. I did point out (see the [b]bolded[/b] text in the quote above) that the Wizard needs magical equipment just like the rest of the party. In which case it seems like your problem is not with [i]how many[/i] spells a Wizard gets, you have a problem that he has [b]any[/b] spells that change your pre-conceived notions of the game. Dude, magic is a game-changer; it breaks the rules and it does allow for . . . (wait for it) . . . [i]magical[/i] effects that exceed what is humanly (or elvenly or dwarvenly) possible. If it is really this much of problem then just ban all spellcasting classes in your game. Or, maybe, you can adapt and deal with a Wizard's spells and versatility in a reasonable fashion that doesn't destroy the class and the fun a player is suppossed to have. Either way, it is your game, do what you want. Just don't be suprised if you wind up with no players once you royallly piss them off by ruining their fun. Master Arminas [/QUOTE]

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