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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7570772" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Until they reach second level spells I tend to agree, but you mostly need to save them for defense or very situationally strong uses or out of combat helpers.&nbsp; Once you reach 2nd level spells at level 7 there's some good defensive buffs and even a good offensive one for a fighter now (shadow blade).Well, once you reach 2nd level spells you either prebuff or buff on turn 1 and then you fight like normal.&nbsp; So it's really not an impact at that point.&nbsp; It does impact the shield spell and absorb elements though which is unfortunate.&nbsp; A lot of DM's ignore that restriction so I guess there's that.&nbsp; IMO they shouldn't have restricted spell schools for the 1/3 casters and they would have felt much better.As far as rogues and Greenflame blade I agree.&nbsp; The better option is booming blade as you can bonus action disengage and perform hit and run tactics.&nbsp; That's interesting and fairly effective.&nbsp; I seem to recall thinking just the scaling cantrip damage on greenflame/booming wasn't worth it later and then I did some math and proved myself wrong.&nbsp; Though I could be misremembering as that was a long time ago.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7570772, member: 6795602"] Until they reach second level spells I tend to agree, but you mostly need to save them for defense or very situationally strong uses or out of combat helpers. Once you reach 2nd level spells at level 7 there's some good defensive buffs and even a good offensive one for a fighter now (shadow blade). Well, once you reach 2nd level spells you either prebuff or buff on turn 1 and then you fight like normal. So it's really not an impact at that point. It does impact the shield spell and absorb elements though which is unfortunate. A lot of DM's ignore that restriction so I guess there's that. IMO they shouldn't have restricted spell schools for the 1/3 casters and they would have felt much better. As far as rogues and Greenflame blade I agree. The better option is booming blade as you can bonus action disengage and perform hit and run tactics. That's interesting and fairly effective. I seem to recall thinking just the scaling cantrip damage on greenflame/booming wasn't worth it later and then I did some math and proved myself wrong. Though I could be misremembering as that was a long time ago. [/QUOTE]

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