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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8774275" data-attributes="member: 6696971">When I looked into Agon (after your excerpting your play!), my sense was that Voyages were kindred with Dogs' Reflection phase (transition phase between town where we ask and answer questions about the PC and resolve Advancement/changes to PCs based on prior Town play).  It seems to be basically a dead lock that Harper cribbed that more-or-less directly from Dogs (honestly, Agon really seems like Dogs structure Greek Mythified)!As far as A vs B, there is definitely some bleed there, with the crux being subtle as to whether one should be binned in one vs the other with the binning being related to "what qualifies as a full-blown kicker" vs "what qualifies as the consequential ingredients for a kicker, PC evinced dramatic needs, that the GM then frames play around."  Regardless, after that initial starting point, (A) and (B) is mostly indistinguishable outside of the intricacies of system and structure.I think for some players the difference is of great import, while for others its negligible to the point of irrelevant.Definitely agree that Dungeon World hews very much toward A (& B) there vs C (and my proposed E).  However, I think where we might differ is that I see that as its really only identifiable break-point from Apocalypse World.  The Burning Wheel and Shadows of Yesterday influence on Dungeon World are decisive and formative.  Whereas the thematic triggers in AW and Blades are obvious clarion calls for framing, they yet have a level of malleability to them which (intentionally) requires some initial exploration with setting and situation to ultimately give form to (this is that opening session in both games; opening phase in Blades' structure).  Contrast with Dungeon World where you're already going to have an Alignment statement (which is an oath of ethos or objective that is unmistakable in its game-driving trajectory - "engage with and resolve this particular thing") and at 1-4 Bonds (which is a Relationship question/objective that is unmistakable in its game-driving trajectory - "engage with and resolve this particular thing").  This is much, much more like Burning Wheel and Shadows of Yesterday and 4e (Player-Authored Quests) than it is Apocalypse World.  However, the you only need to fill out 1 Bond initially and opening play will give rise to the other 3 Bonds option is where DW play can yield a more AW opening session aesthetic (much like the "Make Maps and Leave Blanks" process is AW-ifying D&D setting).  I saw it as of now!Yup, that does look like we're broadly on the same page.  I look forward to your future TB play excerpts (if they evolve or stay roughly where you presently are)!</blockquote>

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