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<blockquote data-quote="Bluenose" data-source="post: 6364947" data-attributes="member: 49017">This doesn't just vary from place to place, from different time periods, and also within the same time and place. There are places and periods where a Baron would owe allegiance directly to the King with no-one in-between, and other Barons who would be in the hierarchy under a Count/Earl who also owes something to a Duke and onward to the King. Then there's Knights, some of whom have no land of their own (Household Knights) and others who have a manor granted to them by their liege-lord who might have any rank. Kings and Emperors did that, as well as lesser nobles.For the most steps you might get:Vassal Knight, owning his own manor&gt;Baron, with their own lands and several vassal knights&gt;Earl/Count, with their own lands, and several Barons and Knights&gt;Duke, owning the allegiance of several Counts, and again with their own lands and some vassal knights&gt;King, with various people holding lower titles from them.&gt;Emperor, the only Western example (the Holy Roman Emperor) not having any Kings as direct vassals (if you except the King of Italy, sometimes the title of their heir) but having some Kings who owed him allegiance for their lands within the Empire - all either Duchies or Counties, I think.Note that those titles have a variety of names. I've used Count and Earl interchangeably, for example, but that's not entirely accurate. They're just a couple of the titles between Duke and Baron. And for that matter Baron and Duke aren't the only equivalents. Nor does Viscount mean the same thing in England and France. Probably the best explanation of this I've seen in gaming products are in various Pendragon supplements. Lordly Domains is very good in that respect, though I haven't seen the newest pdf products from Nocturnal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bluenose, post: 6364947, member: 49017"] This doesn't just vary from place to place, from different time periods, and also within the same time and place. There are places and periods where a Baron would owe allegiance directly to the King with no-one in-between, and other Barons who would be in the hierarchy under a Count/Earl who also owes something to a Duke and onward to the King. Then there's Knights, some of whom have no land of their own (Household Knights) and others who have a manor granted to them by their liege-lord who might have any rank. Kings and Emperors did that, as well as lesser nobles. For the most steps you might get: Vassal Knight, owning his own manor > Baron, with their own lands and several vassal knights > Earl/Count, with their own lands, and several Barons and Knights > Duke, owning the allegiance of several Counts, and again with their own lands and some vassal knights > King, with various people holding lower titles from them. > Emperor, the only Western example (the Holy Roman Emperor) not having any Kings as direct vassals (if you except the King of Italy, sometimes the title of their heir) but having some Kings who owed him allegiance for their lands within the Empire - all either Duchies or Counties, I think. Note that those titles have a variety of names. I've used Count and Earl interchangeably, for example, but that's not entirely accurate. They're just a couple of the titles between Duke and Baron. And for that matter Baron and Duke aren't the only equivalents. Nor does Viscount mean the same thing in England and France. Probably the best explanation of this I've seen in gaming products are in various Pendragon supplements. Lordly Domains is very good in that respect, though I haven't seen the newest pdf products from Nocturnal. [/QUOTE]

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