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Vecna v Acererak v Larloch? Who's The Most Powerful Lich?
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<blockquote data-quote="Elderbrain" data-source="post: 7777268"><p>2e didn't stat gods, per se, but it sure as Hades statted up plenty of Avatars, and Vecna was among them. He received stats in the Ravenloft hardcover book "Domains of Dread" - he was not at his full normal strength due to being a prisoner in the plane. He also got a write-up in "Die, Vecna, Die!" (since the PCs were supposed to fight him), and that was also a weakened version because he didn't have access to all of his powers while in Sigil. If I can dig up my copy of the books I'll post the pertinent info so you can judge how he compares with Dregoth (who was pretty darned powerful, as you state). He might have been statted at full strength elsewhere, but I don't know.</p><p></p><p>Gods vs. lichs is tricky, because depending upon edition a lich (or other non-divine being) can actually kill a god (or at least the god's Avatar). In 5e, Lesser gods apparently don't have Avatars, just one form (manifestation) which can be slain (but it is sometimes possible for a dead Lesser god to come back, or not be actually slain after all - Tiamat "dies" at the end of "Rise of Tiamat", but because she is not fully present on Toril she survives and is banished back to the Nine Hells.) A Greater god - again, by 5e rules - can't be killed in such a manner, at least not by mortals, and can form Avatar(s) that are the equivalent of Lesser gods (and which can be "killed" without destroying the actual god.) Artifacts can also change the rules - a lich with a powerful Artifact might even be able to harm/kill a Greater god (but no official ruling on this from WOTC for this edition.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elderbrain, post: 7777268"] 2e didn't stat gods, per se, but it sure as Hades statted up plenty of Avatars, and Vecna was among them. He received stats in the Ravenloft hardcover book "Domains of Dread" - he was not at his full normal strength due to being a prisoner in the plane. He also got a write-up in "Die, Vecna, Die!" (since the PCs were supposed to fight him), and that was also a weakened version because he didn't have access to all of his powers while in Sigil. If I can dig up my copy of the books I'll post the pertinent info so you can judge how he compares with Dregoth (who was pretty darned powerful, as you state). He might have been statted at full strength elsewhere, but I don't know. Gods vs. lichs is tricky, because depending upon edition a lich (or other non-divine being) can actually kill a god (or at least the god's Avatar). In 5e, Lesser gods apparently don't have Avatars, just one form (manifestation) which can be slain (but it is sometimes possible for a dead Lesser god to come back, or not be actually slain after all - Tiamat "dies" at the end of "Rise of Tiamat", but because she is not fully present on Toril she survives and is banished back to the Nine Hells.) A Greater god - again, by 5e rules - can't be killed in such a manner, at least not by mortals, and can form Avatar(s) that are the equivalent of Lesser gods (and which can be "killed" without destroying the actual god.) Artifacts can also change the rules - a lich with a powerful Artifact might even be able to harm/kill a Greater god (but no official ruling on this from WOTC for this edition.) [/QUOTE]
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