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Vecna v Acererak v Larloch? Who's The Most Powerful Lich?
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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 7777405" data-attributes="member: 58197"><p>Every lich has an insane scheme to achieve ultimate power. And every lich that shows up in an adventure or novel comes within moments of completing its insane scheme, only to be foiled by adventurers at the last minute.</p><p></p><p>As I said before, Acererak gets style points for having more cool and interesting schemes than most; but, Colonel Xykon's Secret Recipe notwithstanding, style does not translate into actual power. Where power is concerned, you get zero credit for a failed scheme, no matter how close you came to pulling it off. The only scheme that counts is one that you have really, truly, 100% pulled off and reaped the rewards.</p><p></p><p>Vecna has a list of failed schemes as long as your arm. His diary is as thick as the dictionary and every page starts with "Almost achieved supreme cosmic power today, foiled by adventurers." But, for all of that, he <em>has</em> succeeded in achieving godhood. That--not the plots that he almost pulled off but fell short--is what makes him the most powerful of the three.</p><p></p><p>It's tough to compare Acererak to Larloch on raw personal power, since we have no 5E stats for Larloch that I know of. But, setting that aside, Acererak tends to be a loner, while Larloch has an immense network of minions and allies. They may be confined to the Realms, but they are still power to be reckoned with. So I would rank Larloch ahead on that score (even though I agree that Larloch exudes "Ed Greenwood's personal power fantasy," has no significant accomplishments to his name, and really shouldn't be included in any list of Noteworthy Liches).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 7777405, member: 58197"] Every lich has an insane scheme to achieve ultimate power. And every lich that shows up in an adventure or novel comes within moments of completing its insane scheme, only to be foiled by adventurers at the last minute. As I said before, Acererak gets style points for having more cool and interesting schemes than most; but, Colonel Xykon's Secret Recipe notwithstanding, style does not translate into actual power. Where power is concerned, you get zero credit for a failed scheme, no matter how close you came to pulling it off. The only scheme that counts is one that you have really, truly, 100% pulled off and reaped the rewards. Vecna has a list of failed schemes as long as your arm. His diary is as thick as the dictionary and every page starts with "Almost achieved supreme cosmic power today, foiled by adventurers." But, for all of that, he [I]has[/I] succeeded in achieving godhood. That--not the plots that he almost pulled off but fell short--is what makes him the most powerful of the three. It's tough to compare Acererak to Larloch on raw personal power, since we have no 5E stats for Larloch that I know of. But, setting that aside, Acererak tends to be a loner, while Larloch has an immense network of minions and allies. They may be confined to the Realms, but they are still power to be reckoned with. So I would rank Larloch ahead on that score (even though I agree that Larloch exudes "Ed Greenwood's personal power fantasy," has no significant accomplishments to his name, and really shouldn't be included in any list of Noteworthy Liches). [/QUOTE]
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