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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7777541" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>A few things. </p><p></p><p>First, the 5e PHB lists Mystra as a 5e Forgotten Realms deity, so she's back and in charge of the weave. </p><p></p><p>Second, I pulled out my 2e Netheril setting and looked at it. It had this to say about Karsus's Avatar. "The notes regarding the spells essence were nowhere to be found. It's believed that Mystra, the reincarnated form of Mystral, snatched the spell information from the ruins of Karsus's enclave and sent it on an eternal journey to the ends of the universe." It's not likely that despite Larloch knowing Netherese magic, he was ever able to learn Karsus's Avatar. </p><p></p><p>Third, there was only one 12th level spell ever made, at least that made it into the setting books, so Larloch may not know any of those at all. </p><p></p><p>Fourth, according to my Lords of Darkness book, Larloch is only 32nd level, and that's in 3e Forgotten Realms era where he's gained some more power since Netheril fell. He was never strong enough to cast 12th level spells, so he couldn't have learned Karsus's Avatar, let alone cast it.</p><p></p><p>Fifth, those 10th level spells in Darksun were psionically amplified and you had to be a Dragon or Evangion to even be able to cast them. Single class wizards couldn't do it. You had to be 20th level wizard/20th level psionicist to even become one of those.</p><p></p><p>Sixth, the Immortal level spells were specifically spells no mortal could learn, not spells that were higher than 9th level. When Immortals actually used magic, they used mortal magic from 1st-9th level.</p><p></p><p>I don't know about Birthright or quest spells, but the names suggest epic spellcasting, not necessarily spell levels higher than 9th.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7777541, member: 23751"] A few things. First, the 5e PHB lists Mystra as a 5e Forgotten Realms deity, so she's back and in charge of the weave. Second, I pulled out my 2e Netheril setting and looked at it. It had this to say about Karsus's Avatar. "The notes regarding the spells essence were nowhere to be found. It's believed that Mystra, the reincarnated form of Mystral, snatched the spell information from the ruins of Karsus's enclave and sent it on an eternal journey to the ends of the universe." It's not likely that despite Larloch knowing Netherese magic, he was ever able to learn Karsus's Avatar. Third, there was only one 12th level spell ever made, at least that made it into the setting books, so Larloch may not know any of those at all. Fourth, according to my Lords of Darkness book, Larloch is only 32nd level, and that's in 3e Forgotten Realms era where he's gained some more power since Netheril fell. He was never strong enough to cast 12th level spells, so he couldn't have learned Karsus's Avatar, let alone cast it. Fifth, those 10th level spells in Darksun were psionically amplified and you had to be a Dragon or Evangion to even be able to cast them. Single class wizards couldn't do it. You had to be 20th level wizard/20th level psionicist to even become one of those. Sixth, the Immortal level spells were specifically spells no mortal could learn, not spells that were higher than 9th level. When Immortals actually used magic, they used mortal magic from 1st-9th level. I don't know about Birthright or quest spells, but the names suggest epic spellcasting, not necessarily spell levels higher than 9th. [/QUOTE]
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