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Vecna's Dread Counterspell vs. Counterspell -- What's the Diff?
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<blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 8669878" data-attributes="member: 6921763"><p>"Vecna utters a dread word to interrupt a creature he can see that is casting a spell." </p><p></p><p>On the one hand, I believe RAI is to be much the same as Counterspell. Vecna needs to see the creature and see that the creature is casting a spell. The language of Dread Counterspell regarding spell level being countered is <em>the same</em> as Counterspell (albeit upcast one level). The problem here is that the designers could have also just used the <em>exact same language </em>as Counterspell for the Reaction trigger but chose not to... <em>or...</em> were careless in not doing so... we may never know.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, this ability is decidely <em>not </em>Counterspell. It is not a spell, has no range restriction, and also causes damage. Further, Vecna is a very powerful archlich who has ages of experience with spellcasting and can sense the weave (or whatever) being manipulated. The problem here is that <em>nowhere in Vecna's statblock </em>does it say Vecna has some extraordinary senses when it comes to spells being cast. </p><p></p><p>TL;DR: I'm definitely, pretty sure that Subtle Spell would probably foil Vecna's Dread Counterspell. Probably maybe.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Swarmkeeper, post: 8669878, member: 6921763"] "Vecna utters a dread word to interrupt a creature he can see that is casting a spell." On the one hand, I believe RAI is to be much the same as Counterspell. Vecna needs to see the creature and see that the creature is casting a spell. The language of Dread Counterspell regarding spell level being countered is [I]the same[/I] as Counterspell (albeit upcast one level). The problem here is that the designers could have also just used the [I]exact same language [/I]as Counterspell for the Reaction trigger but chose not to... [I]or...[/I] were careless in not doing so... we may never know. On the other hand, this ability is decidely [I]not [/I]Counterspell. It is not a spell, has no range restriction, and also causes damage. Further, Vecna is a very powerful archlich who has ages of experience with spellcasting and can sense the weave (or whatever) being manipulated. The problem here is that [I]nowhere in Vecna's statblock [/I]does it say Vecna has some extraordinary senses when it comes to spells being cast. TL;DR: I'm definitely, pretty sure that Subtle Spell would probably foil Vecna's Dread Counterspell. Probably maybe. [/QUOTE]
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