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Vecna's Dread Counterspell vs. Counterspell -- What's the Diff?
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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8670386" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>But it isn’t just an RP question. What knowledge Vecna does or doesn’t have access to is determined by the fictional positioning and the rules of the game. The rules do not clearly indicate whether or not Vecna can detect a spell being cast without a visual or audible indication, and if he does not have such a capability, then the fictional positioning does not allow him to be aware the spell is being cast if it is done subtly. Therefore, if you interpret the choice of whether or not to use Dread Counterspell as Vecna’s, then he cannot use it unless he has some ability to know there is a spell being cast, which RAW is not clear on.</p><p></p><p>We’re bumping into a conflict between gamist and simulationist outlooks on gameplay here. The DM does literally decide whether or not Vecna activates the ability, yes, but for many DMs, that decision is arrived at based on imagining Vecna’s perspective and making decisions as they imagine Vecna would do. From this perspective, the RAW is not clear on whether or not it is something Vecna <em>could</em> choose to do, if the spell has no visible or audible components, even though it would definitely work if he did use it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8670386, member: 6779196"] But it isn’t just an RP question. What knowledge Vecna does or doesn’t have access to is determined by the fictional positioning and the rules of the game. The rules do not clearly indicate whether or not Vecna can detect a spell being cast without a visual or audible indication, and if he does not have such a capability, then the fictional positioning does not allow him to be aware the spell is being cast if it is done subtly. Therefore, if you interpret the choice of whether or not to use Dread Counterspell as Vecna’s, then he cannot use it unless he has some ability to know there is a spell being cast, which RAW is not clear on. We’re bumping into a conflict between gamist and simulationist outlooks on gameplay here. The DM does literally decide whether or not Vecna activates the ability, yes, but for many DMs, that decision is arrived at based on imagining Vecna’s perspective and making decisions as they imagine Vecna would do. From this perspective, the RAW is not clear on whether or not it is something Vecna [I]could[/I] choose to do, if the spell has no visible or audible components, even though it would definitely work if he did use it. [/QUOTE]
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