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<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8675510" data-attributes="member: 6988941">By RAW it is only the &quot;Casting Time: 1 reaction, which you take when you see a creature within 60 feet of you casting a spell&quot; language which makes counterspell generally impossible against subtle spells. In the absence of that language I see no RAW reason why Vecna's Dread Counterspell would be so limited.In actual gameplay I would allow characters to use regular counterspell against any spell in range they have a reason to believe is being cast beyond the metagame knowledge that someone just said it was being cast, though I would be generally avoid doing this against a player using subtle spell, simply because of the opportunity costs and investment required to make a character able to do so should see some payoff.But when players go up against a past-master of all wizardry so superlative he has ascended to godhood and become arguably the most infamous arch-villain of D&amp;D they should expect their old tricks to be less reliable. I'd want Vecna to be able to (at least sometimes) counter subtle spells even if he was just using regular old counterspell. I'd want him to be able to as a DM and (unless I had just gotten subtle spell metamagic specifically for that fight) I'd want the same as a player.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 8675510, member: 6988941"] By RAW it is only the "Casting Time: 1 reaction, which you take when you see a creature within 60 feet of you casting a spell" language which makes counterspell generally impossible against subtle spells. In the absence of that language I see no RAW reason why Vecna's Dread Counterspell would be so limited. In actual gameplay I would allow characters to use regular counterspell against any spell in range they have a reason to believe is being cast beyond the metagame knowledge that someone just said it was being cast, though I would be generally avoid doing this against a player using subtle spell, simply because of the opportunity costs and investment required to make a character able to do so should see some payoff. But when players go up against a past-master of all wizardry so superlative he has ascended to godhood and become arguably the most infamous arch-villain of D&D they should expect their old tricks to be less reliable. I'd want Vecna to be able to (at least sometimes) counter subtle spells even if he was just using regular old counterspell. I'd want him to be able to as a DM and (unless I had just gotten subtle spell metamagic [I]specifically for that fight[/I]) I'd want the same as a player. [/QUOTE]

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