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<blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 1247462" data-attributes="member: 115"><p>Come on now, as a bio major you should know there's no difference between ingestion, inhalation, and injection as long as stuff gets into your blood stream to be attacked by IgG and the other immunoglobulins.</p><p> </p><p>Some allergies are genetic (my allergies to sulfa drugs, for example), and some may be caused by over-exposure (my allergy to smoke, for another). But then, I've been allergic to eggs my entire life - my first one sent me to the hospital for anaphylactic shock. A friend of mine is allergic to chocolate - again, all her life. In fact, by your reasoning, people on the Atkins diet should <em>develop</em> allergies to proteins, since they're over-exposing themselves to them.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry, but your argument just doesn't hold water.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>No, of course numbers weren't published. I've read plenty of these "studies" before too, both for and against, and most of them are utter crap. Again, as a student, presumably reading plenty of studies, you should know what constitutes a good study versus a bad one. Give me the reference for a study that shows a high degree of proof for (or against, as I said in my original post) the Atkins diet, and I'll go look it up and read it and respond.</p><p> </p><p>As for the definition of "fad" - if 50% of people change, that's a major cultural event. 15% isn't enough to be nothing, and isn't enough to be long lasting. Hence, fad. Explain why, if this existed for 50 years, that it's only become really well known in the last five or ten.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Yes.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Well, glycolysis doesn't care. But if you spend energy converting protein and fat into glucose (or really, the two molecules derived from glucose used) that's less net energy gained from the consumption of said molecule. Glucose is very easily converted into the two molecules necessary. Fats and proteins need more work. Hence, more energy burned, less gained.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I'm sure Dr. Atkins and his followers cite that many times. I don't doubt that it's correct too. After all, I did just argue that it was.</p><p> </p><p>This "Caloric Advantage" is the dietary equivalent of forcing your body into a mode of starvation. Pretending it's anything else is just naive.</p><p> </p><p>Now, maybe if Dr. Atkins told his clients to do something novel like, say, exercise and eat <em>balanced</em> meals, I'd have more respect for him. The Atkins diet does nothing but take advantage of people who want to lose weight but don't want to work at doing it. A <em>real</em> lifestyle change would be to actually start exercising and start treating your body right.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>And I'll concede that no, <em>technically </em>you don't need dietary carbs. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>But the body's primary mode of conversion is dietary carbs first, <em>then</em> fats (which excess carbs are converted into), and <em>lastly</em> protein. Explain that away with evolutionary theory.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Given, I don't believe it would be difficult either.</p><p> </p><p><s> </s></p><p><s>Right, but you're arguing 10 million years. Ten million years ago there were <em>significant</em> differences in skeletal structure. Past <em>Australopithicines</em> even, since it's believed we evolved from the gracile forms, and not the robust, where these differences are more pronounced.</s></p><p> <s></s></p><p><s>And for the record, <em>H. sapiens</em> has been around in its relatively present form for at least 25k years, and it's suspected they may have even been around longer. Agriculture, on the other hand, has only been around for around 10k. So, it's readily obvious from an evolutionary standpoint that agriculture is not the cause of <em>H. sapiens</em> changes to dental structure and facial musculature which would select against meat eating in general. I can go into these changes in more detail if you'd like, but I don't particularly think it's necessary.</s></p><p> <s></s></p><p> <s></s></p><p><s>For one, congratulations! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></s></p><p> <s></s></p><p><s>For two, it's nice to actually be able to debate something with someone in my general field of study (my degree is in biochemistry).</s></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LightPhoenix, post: 1247462, member: 115"] Come on now, as a bio major you should know there's no difference between ingestion, inhalation, and injection as long as stuff gets into your blood stream to be attacked by IgG and the other immunoglobulins. Some allergies are genetic (my allergies to sulfa drugs, for example), and some may be caused by over-exposure (my allergy to smoke, for another). But then, I've been allergic to eggs my entire life - my first one sent me to the hospital for anaphylactic shock. A friend of mine is allergic to chocolate - again, all her life. In fact, by your reasoning, people on the Atkins diet should [i]develop[/i] allergies to proteins, since they're over-exposing themselves to them. Sorry, but your argument just doesn't hold water. No, of course numbers weren't published. I've read plenty of these "studies" before too, both for and against, and most of them are utter crap. Again, as a student, presumably reading plenty of studies, you should know what constitutes a good study versus a bad one. Give me the reference for a study that shows a high degree of proof for (or against, as I said in my original post) the Atkins diet, and I'll go look it up and read it and respond. As for the definition of "fad" - if 50% of people change, that's a major cultural event. 15% isn't enough to be nothing, and isn't enough to be long lasting. Hence, fad. Explain why, if this existed for 50 years, that it's only become really well known in the last five or ten. Yes. Well, glycolysis doesn't care. But if you spend energy converting protein and fat into glucose (or really, the two molecules derived from glucose used) that's less net energy gained from the consumption of said molecule. Glucose is very easily converted into the two molecules necessary. Fats and proteins need more work. Hence, more energy burned, less gained. I'm sure Dr. Atkins and his followers cite that many times. I don't doubt that it's correct too. After all, I did just argue that it was. This "Caloric Advantage" is the dietary equivalent of forcing your body into a mode of starvation. Pretending it's anything else is just naive. Now, maybe if Dr. Atkins told his clients to do something novel like, say, exercise and eat [i]balanced[/i] meals, I'd have more respect for him. The Atkins diet does nothing but take advantage of people who want to lose weight but don't want to work at doing it. A [i]real[/i] lifestyle change would be to actually start exercising and start treating your body right. And I'll concede that no, [i]technically [/i]you don't need dietary carbs. But the body's primary mode of conversion is dietary carbs first, [i]then[/i] fats (which excess carbs are converted into), and [i]lastly[/i] protein. Explain that away with evolutionary theory. Given, I don't believe it would be difficult either. [s] Right, but you're arguing 10 million years. Ten million years ago there were [i]significant[/i] differences in skeletal structure. Past [i]Australopithicines[/i] even, since it's believed we evolved from the gracile forms, and not the robust, where these differences are more pronounced. And for the record, [i]H. sapiens[/i] has been around in its relatively present form for at least 25k years, and it's suspected they may have even been around longer. Agriculture, on the other hand, has only been around for around 10k. So, it's readily obvious from an evolutionary standpoint that agriculture is not the cause of [i]H. sapiens[/i] changes to dental structure and facial musculature which would select against meat eating in general. I can go into these changes in more detail if you'd like, but I don't particularly think it's necessary. For one, congratulations! :) For two, it's nice to actually be able to debate something with someone in my general field of study (my degree is in biochemistry).[/s] [/QUOTE]
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