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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 7018273" data-attributes="member: 57383">Sorry, but I think the official interpretation is Fiendish Vermin don't gain skill points or feats unless the original creature had them.Firstly, the few examples of Fiendish Vermin I've seen in published sourcebooks (i.e. the Fiendish Spider Swarm in the aforementioned Sinister Spire) didn't have skill points or feats.Secondly, the template says &quot;A fiendish creature uses all the base creature’s statistics and abilities except as noted here&quot; and it doesn't have a skills or feats noted anywhere. Furthermore, it says you don't recalculate the skill points for the change in type (to Magical Beast in this case).A literal reading suggests it retains the mindless trait too, despite it no longer having an Intelligence score, since the template says it retains all the special qualities of the base creature.Personally I don't like the notion so if I was running the game I'd have Fiendish Vermin gain skills and feats and lose the Mindless trait, but be aware that's probably not following the template.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 7018273, member: 57383"] Sorry, but I think the official interpretation is Fiendish Vermin don't gain skill points or feats unless the original creature had them. Firstly, the few examples of Fiendish Vermin I've seen in published sourcebooks (i.e. the Fiendish Spider Swarm in the aforementioned [I]Sinister Spire[/I]) didn't have skill points or feats. Secondly, the template says "A fiendish creature uses all the base creature’s statistics and abilities except as noted here" and it doesn't have a skills or feats noted anywhere. Furthermore, it says you don't recalculate the skill points for the change in type (to Magical Beast in this case). A literal reading suggests it retains the mindless trait too, despite it no longer having an Intelligence score, since the template says it retains all the special qualities of the base creature. Personally I don't like the notion so if I was running the game I'd have Fiendish Vermin gain skills and feats and lose the Mindless trait, but be aware that's probably not following the template. [/QUOTE]

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