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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Inconsequenti-AL" data-source="post: 1766053" data-attributes="member: 6584">I really like this idea... It is a stronger ability, but does make up for the limitations of the verminous forms... The strength is partly down to the turning feats - divine might, vigor and so on... those feel a little too divine for me. Might make those for turn/rebuke undead only. Perhaps allow the ones from complete divine (or was it BoED?) that let you trade in wildshape attempts for various abilities. Simply replace wildshape with turn attempts.Another great idea!  Elemental templated vermin is a particularly fun idea. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Game starts at 7th level - so it will be a while before those come into play, but I think that could fit rather neatly. Definitely the magical beast verminforms instead of plant - will cook up a few more of those for him to play around with.Thanks very much!</blockquote>