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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shin Okada" data-source="post: 5291271" data-attributes="member: 1956">I am not trying to do munchkin-reading. I am more a DM than to be a player. Well, these days I usually run 7 games as a DM, and attend 3 games as a player, per month (including some on-line games). I am just trying to see what is the logical RAW reading of the rule. Because when asked by may players, I must be fair and logical.Also, I am just curious about this topic.I largely doubt if that is even RAI. A monk character can be proficient in more weapons due to their racial traits. And a hybrid monk is proficient in many weapons which the other class gives him proficiency. Also, he can become proficient in more weapons by taking feats or choosing some paragon path.If their intention was "Ki focus, Club, dagger, monk unarmed strike, quarterstaff, shuriken, sling, spear", then they should have wrote so. That will only add another line.As per the current rule text, I cannot think of any way to read that, for example, an Eladrin Monk cannot use a longsword as his focus for monk powers.The problem is, we have no example or guidance to guess how we should divide those "weapons with which you're proficient" into smaller implement types. There are many classes which use some weapon or weapons as their implements.Some classes, like swordmage, use words like "Any light blade or heavy blade", which are weapon category. On the other hand, some class such as Sorcerer has some specific weapon such as "dagger" as one of their implements. In case of Wizard and Invoker, they have "staff" as one of their implements and the magic item section of PHB mentions that"A staff implement can also function as a magic quarterstaff". There seems to be no default rule to categorize weapon implements.Also, I doubt if that is even that strong if you can have +1 feat bonus to attack rolls with all of the weapons you are proficient in. How often one character use weapons of different category? Also, even if we allow Versatile Master to do this, you must take Weapon Focus for each weapon category if you want to be a master of those weapons. On the other hand, there is a feat called Weapon Master in Dragon 382. This feat expanse the benefit of your weapon focus and weapon expertise into all weapons you are proficient with.If there is some rule or clarification to show the way to categorize monk's weapon implements. But at this moment I just cannot find out any.</blockquote>

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