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<blockquote data-quote="Medicine Man" data-source="post: 5128869" data-attributes="member: 88924"><p>There isn't really any literal reading of the rules that 100% satisfies common sense on the issue of versatile weapons and their interaction with exploits, feats, etc; hence the reason for WotC Mearl's opining on the subject.</p><p></p><p>If you disregard Mearl's opinion as non-canonical the most literal, brute-force reading of the rules are as follows:</p><p></p><p>****</p><p></p><p>Q1: Does a fighter retain his one handed Fighter Weapon Talent bonus when wielding a versatile weapon in two hands?</p><p></p><p>A1: Yes.</p><p></p><p>Reason: PH76 -- "Choose either one-handed or two-handed weapons. When using a weapon of your chosen style, you gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls."</p><p></p><p>No where in the rules does it say that a versatile weapon changes weapon class when you chose to use it a different way.</p><p></p><p>Collateral: A two-handed specialist Fighter cannot get his bonus using versatile weapons two-handed either, which sucks for him.</p><p></p><p>****</p><p></p><p>Q2: Do you gain the extra bonuses awarded to two-handed weapons when using the Reaping Strike Martial Exploit or Power Attack Feat?</p><p></p><p>A2: No.</p><p></p><p>Reason: PH77 -- "If you are wielding a two-handed weapon, ...", not "If you are wielding a weapon two-handed."</p><p>PH199 -- "(or a +3 bonus to the damage roll with a two-handed weapon).", not "or a +3 bonus to the damage roll if you are wielding a weapon two-handed."</p><p></p><p>****</p><p></p><p>I freely admit that the above is nit picky to the point of inspiring homicidal feelings but it is the 100% literal reading of the RAW in the PH1. As I said at the start of this post, 100% accurate and 0% satisfying.</p><p></p><p>If you are fundamental purist regarding the rules, this is how you should resolve the issue.</p><p></p><p>If you choose to heed Mearl's unofficial guidance on the topic, then you have some wiggle room but, as a previous poster stated, you should inform your players of your house rules before they create characters.</p><p></p><p>(to be continued)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Medicine Man, post: 5128869, member: 88924"] There isn't really any literal reading of the rules that 100% satisfies common sense on the issue of versatile weapons and their interaction with exploits, feats, etc; hence the reason for WotC Mearl's opining on the subject. If you disregard Mearl's opinion as non-canonical the most literal, brute-force reading of the rules are as follows: **** Q1: Does a fighter retain his one handed Fighter Weapon Talent bonus when wielding a versatile weapon in two hands? A1: Yes. Reason: PH76 -- "Choose either one-handed or two-handed weapons. When using a weapon of your chosen style, you gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls." No where in the rules does it say that a versatile weapon changes weapon class when you chose to use it a different way. Collateral: A two-handed specialist Fighter cannot get his bonus using versatile weapons two-handed either, which sucks for him. **** Q2: Do you gain the extra bonuses awarded to two-handed weapons when using the Reaping Strike Martial Exploit or Power Attack Feat? A2: No. Reason: PH77 -- "If you are wielding a two-handed weapon, ...", not "If you are wielding a weapon two-handed." PH199 -- "(or a +3 bonus to the damage roll with a two-handed weapon).", not "or a +3 bonus to the damage roll if you are wielding a weapon two-handed." **** I freely admit that the above is nit picky to the point of inspiring homicidal feelings but it is the 100% literal reading of the RAW in the PH1. As I said at the start of this post, 100% accurate and 0% satisfying. If you are fundamental purist regarding the rules, this is how you should resolve the issue. If you choose to heed Mearl's unofficial guidance on the topic, then you have some wiggle room but, as a previous poster stated, you should inform your players of your house rules before they create characters. (to be continued) [/QUOTE]
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