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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8315083" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Thanks.&nbsp; I'd say that shout ability is more distinctive than any other.I don't think that's toning it back enough for a level 2 ability.&nbsp; Think Action Surge/2 uses of divine smite/Reckless attack (advantage with serious drawback), cunning action (chance for advantage or guaranteed disengage/dash) power level stuff.+1d6 damage nearly ever turn is still a bit too much at level 2 IMO.&nbsp; I think having it start out being once an encounter would help it fall in line balance wise and we can increase the uses (twice at most per encounter at this level)If you are set on the level 2 ability being at will we have to tone back its power or give it a significant drawback / chance to work.&nbsp; There's lots of possibilities here and I've not really found one that I really like.Yea.&nbsp; I was suggesting something like that for the expertise like ability of rogue.&nbsp; Since your goal is to follow that design to some extent.I wouldn't do a song of rest style effect, it doesn't fit this characters concept IMO.&nbsp; Which is grants combat insights.&nbsp; I'm not sure right off what could go there.PossiblyYea.&nbsp; 4e characters felt alot more robust at level 1.&nbsp; I think that's some of the issue.&nbsp; I think 4e level 1 is more like 5e level 3.&nbsp; So that's the point I'd want it to feel like the 4e warlord (but still feel like a warlord through levels 1 and 2).I can see that.&nbsp; I like them not keying of mental stats.&nbsp; Maybe subclasses can key off mental stats more.&nbsp; I've not gotten to them yet so i'll let ya know when i evaluate them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 8315083, member: 6795602"] Thanks. I'd say that shout ability is more distinctive than any other. I don't think that's toning it back enough for a level 2 ability. Think Action Surge/2 uses of divine smite/Reckless attack (advantage with serious drawback), cunning action (chance for advantage or guaranteed disengage/dash) power level stuff. +1d6 damage nearly ever turn is still a bit too much at level 2 IMO. I think having it start out being once an encounter would help it fall in line balance wise and we can increase the uses (twice at most per encounter at this level) If you are set on the level 2 ability being at will we have to tone back its power or give it a significant drawback / chance to work. There's lots of possibilities here and I've not really found one that I really like. Yea. I was suggesting something like that for the expertise like ability of rogue. Since your goal is to follow that design to some extent. I wouldn't do a song of rest style effect, it doesn't fit this characters concept IMO. Which is grants combat insights. I'm not sure right off what could go there. Possibly Yea. 4e characters felt alot more robust at level 1. I think that's some of the issue. I think 4e level 1 is more like 5e level 3. So that's the point I'd want it to feel like the 4e warlord (but still feel like a warlord through levels 1 and 2). I can see that. I like them not keying of mental stats. Maybe subclasses can key off mental stats more. I've not gotten to them yet so i'll let ya know when i evaluate them. [/QUOTE]

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