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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4318758" data-attributes="member: 317">I hadn't checked out the Pathfinder Alpha rules yet, though I intended to, so I downloaded them tonight and gave them a readthrough.  All I can say is...HOLY CRAP!!!!!!I thought 3e was rough to DM- I can't imagine running Pathfinder.  The existing problems in 3e have been magnified in that ruleset, and casters would dominate even moreso than they do now in 3e.  There are some cool ideas- the barbarian's alternative rage powers and the new cleric domains are both nice, but they are handled inelegantly and require a LOT of bookkeeping on the part of the player or (god forbid) the DM if he makes an NPC classed with levels.For the most part, it looks like Paizo took all the things my group and I disliked about 3e (implied setting, magic levels, feats out the wazoo, magic item reliance, etc), and dialed them up to 11 (X-TREME RULEZ D&D!!!).  Pathfinder is definitely a system for people who love system mastery and optomizing characters for the most effectiveness.  For folks who love 3e, I guess thats a strength, but for me its a huge turn-off.  Again, I don't know how Pathfinder would play, and I'd be willing to play a few sessions to see if it plays like it reads, but if it does, Paizo has lost all interest from me.Concerning D&D 4e...After having read through and played a total of about 50 hours of 4e, I can say I'm in love with D&D again.  I quit playing and running 3.x D&D about 4 years ago- it was bloated, cumbersome, had insanely powerful PCs, required inordinate amounts of prep time, and was too heavy into system-mastery to play for me and my group.  4e feels like playing 1e again to me- like I've found a childhood friend I haven't seen in 20 years.  True, 4e uses the 3e base mechanics, and has new things like powers in there, but it has the tone and feel of 1e when I've played or run it, and I'm loving every minute of it!  To me, my players, and a lot of people on here- 4e feels more like D&D from the 1e era, which is an incredibly good thing!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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