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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Donovan Morningfire" data-source="post: 4318907" data-attributes="member: 39532">I'll admit that prior to actually sitting down and playing 4e, I was skeptical.Unlike VanRichten and his ilk, I was actually willing to give the game a fair shake.  After all, any mouth-breather with a couple active brain cells can look at a book and say they don't like it becuase it's different from what they're used to.  An pre-schooler can make the same exact statement about Lord of the Rings based on the exact same critera and be just as accurate.As for Pathfinder... to each their own, but I agree with the others above that it does very little to fix the core problems of 3rd edition, namely that once you get past 10th level the math starts breaking down, you absolutely need magic items just to reasonably function/ if you're a non-caster, and the casters (batman-wizards and CoDzillas especially) horrendously overshadow the non-casters.4e looks to have fixed many of those.  Not saying it's problem-free becuase there is no such thing as a 100% RPG, but gone are the days of linear warriors and quadratic wizards, and magic items are no longer required just to do your party job.Not to mention having actually had the termerity to play 4e compared to more than a few anti-4e grognards, the classes play very differently from one another.  Based on the 1st session of what will hopefully be an ongoing campaign, rogues still do the sneaky stuff and are looking for flanking/sneak attack opps, Fighters are holding the frontline dishing out consistant damage, Warlocks are happily blasting from behind the frontline, Warlords are helping to hold that frontline while driving the party onwards to victory, and Wizards are weeding out the chaff so the frontline can focus on the bigger threats.  And we're doing our things in different ways.  The only 'similarity' is that we all have 'powers' that are at-wills, once per battle, or once per day.Like I postedin in a different thread, 3e is akin to NBA basketball where it's all about the individual superstars where 4e is more like college basketball where it's a team effort.</blockquote>

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