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<blockquote data-quote="rayous" data-source="post: 4887843" data-attributes="member: 9094"><p>First off, no, its not each attack, its each attack using eyes of the vestige. Secondly this is at the opportunity cost of using up a daily early and not using any of the other benefits that eye of the vestige can have. Thirdly its only triggered by activating your pact boon, so does not occur until someone you have marked has died in the fight (bloodied if you are using a bloodcurse rod). This means that against solo encounters this feat does nothing. </p><p></p><p>Now, 1d6 damage in mose cases is too good for a feat is it? Thats an average of 3.5 damage. That is really good. Almost as good as having your encounters be reliable for a piddly amount of damage (Sacrifice to Caiphon) or +2 to damage and proficiency with all axes and hammers (dwarven weapon training). In fact, on average a rageblood barbarian will get more damage out of powerful charge then a warlock would out of +1d6 after its been triggered. There are lots of really good feats out there. Lets compare the average damage of the at wills vs eye+1d6:</p><p>Eye of the vestige average 7+stat</p><p>Spiteful Glamor average 6.5+stat</p><p>Eldritch Strike (mordencrag) 8+stat+slide</p><p>Dire Radiance 3.5+stat with an additional 3.5+stat if they move closer</p><p>Eldritch Blast 5.5+stat</p><p>Eyebite 3.5+Invisibility (you can make a stealth check vs that person as you have full concealment from them, and maintain it due to the concealment from shadow walk)</p><p>Hellish Rebuke 3.5+stat with an additional 3.5+stat if you get hurt.</p><p></p><p>Looks to me that its generally in line, being slightly better then spiteful glamor and eldritch blast, definately more damage then eyebite, and less damage than hellish rebuke and dire radiance if you can trigger them, which can be easy.</p><p></p><p>If your gm ALWAYS has a minion that you can kill first thing then yes versitile adept is extremely good. But please do not ignore the costs (the other benefits from vestige dailies or heck the +1-3 to hit and auto prime shot of the base abilities, and the fact that you have to use a daily early which in LFR mods can REALLLLLLLY suck) and the limitations (it only goes into effect first time something that has been cursed is killed, before that you are using one of the 2 base abilities).</p><p></p><p></p><p>P.S. If you don't use the extended rest reasoning, you really shouldn't take the feat. Its just bad! The whole "its good for when you want to use two dailies" is a stupid arguement because you don't have to switch your benefits when you use a daily (unlike barbarians). The feat only allows you to change on it triggering your pact, so 99% of the time you stick with the benefit you want for that battle (usually the +1-3 to hit or whichever daily you used). You only have marginal control over when you get the opportunity to switch so you can't just say "hrm, im gonna want to push that guy with shax then do 1d6 thunder to this guy". If you want to have the benefit of 2 dailies, you wait for paragon and get vestige versatility. Heck, the way some are reading this feat, after vestige versatility there is nearly no reason to take it (Only reason is if you like king elidyr i guess).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rayous, post: 4887843, member: 9094"] First off, no, its not each attack, its each attack using eyes of the vestige. Secondly this is at the opportunity cost of using up a daily early and not using any of the other benefits that eye of the vestige can have. Thirdly its only triggered by activating your pact boon, so does not occur until someone you have marked has died in the fight (bloodied if you are using a bloodcurse rod). This means that against solo encounters this feat does nothing. Now, 1d6 damage in mose cases is too good for a feat is it? Thats an average of 3.5 damage. That is really good. Almost as good as having your encounters be reliable for a piddly amount of damage (Sacrifice to Caiphon) or +2 to damage and proficiency with all axes and hammers (dwarven weapon training). In fact, on average a rageblood barbarian will get more damage out of powerful charge then a warlock would out of +1d6 after its been triggered. There are lots of really good feats out there. Lets compare the average damage of the at wills vs eye+1d6: Eye of the vestige average 7+stat Spiteful Glamor average 6.5+stat Eldritch Strike (mordencrag) 8+stat+slide Dire Radiance 3.5+stat with an additional 3.5+stat if they move closer Eldritch Blast 5.5+stat Eyebite 3.5+Invisibility (you can make a stealth check vs that person as you have full concealment from them, and maintain it due to the concealment from shadow walk) Hellish Rebuke 3.5+stat with an additional 3.5+stat if you get hurt. Looks to me that its generally in line, being slightly better then spiteful glamor and eldritch blast, definately more damage then eyebite, and less damage than hellish rebuke and dire radiance if you can trigger them, which can be easy. If your gm ALWAYS has a minion that you can kill first thing then yes versitile adept is extremely good. But please do not ignore the costs (the other benefits from vestige dailies or heck the +1-3 to hit and auto prime shot of the base abilities, and the fact that you have to use a daily early which in LFR mods can REALLLLLLLY suck) and the limitations (it only goes into effect first time something that has been cursed is killed, before that you are using one of the 2 base abilities). P.S. If you don't use the extended rest reasoning, you really shouldn't take the feat. Its just bad! The whole "its good for when you want to use two dailies" is a stupid arguement because you don't have to switch your benefits when you use a daily (unlike barbarians). The feat only allows you to change on it triggering your pact, so 99% of the time you stick with the benefit you want for that battle (usually the +1-3 to hit or whichever daily you used). You only have marginal control over when you get the opportunity to switch so you can't just say "hrm, im gonna want to push that guy with shax then do 1d6 thunder to this guy". If you want to have the benefit of 2 dailies, you wait for paragon and get vestige versatility. Heck, the way some are reading this feat, after vestige versatility there is nearly no reason to take it (Only reason is if you like king elidyr i guess). [/QUOTE]
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