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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4596596" data-attributes="member: 32536">I don't see how you could expect me to feel the same way even if you wanted to, since I don't think anyone here even has a clue what you mean when you say that. That is my point. By saying &quot;4E has a videogamey feel&quot;, you are essentially saying nothing that means anything to anyone, other than making the vague implication that &quot;videogamey is bad&quot; (which indirectly insults those who like videogames).Feelings are subjective, sure, but you are not even making an attempt to explain your feelings. I can't either share your feelings or disagree with them, because you have not conveyed them.I mean, someone can say &quot;I don't like 4E&quot;. However, it is perfectly reasonable to ask that person &quot;why do you think 4E is bad?&quot; as a response. There has to be some kind of reason for that subjective opinion. Usually, answering that question results in some kind of discussion, at least. Certainly, it is impossible to say that two people who say &quot;I don't like 4E&quot; actually agree on why. One person may not like 4E because it wasn't similar to 3E, and another may not like it because it is too similar to 3E. Simply knowing that they don't like 4E doesn't get anyone closer to understanding each other.Saying &quot;4E is Videogamey&quot; is even less clear than saying &quot;I don't like 4E&quot;. After all, it presupposes some idea of what &quot;videogamey&quot;, or even &quot;videogame&quot; subjectively means to the speaker, which is impossible for anyone else to decipher without any context. Honestly, if it were not for the fact that most people seem to link &quot;4E is videogamey&quot; with &quot;I don't like 4E&quot;, I would think that they were complimenting the game... What is more, just like with the &quot;I don't like 4E&quot;, there is usually a specific reason for that feeling, which simply doesn't get explained. I don't even want to get into how using &quot;4E is videogamey&quot; as a response to &quot;why don't you like 4E?&quot; is horribly vague...As for why I am being &quot;horribly obtuse&quot; about the subject... I am a videogame fan. I have played hundreds upon hundreds of videogames, and I despise how people on this forum tend to be so incredibly dismissive and elitist towards the medium. I see a lot of crude stereotypes and insults thrown around that have no merit, and I get sick and tired of it. I hate how videogames get lumped into the &quot;Software and D&amp;D utilities&quot; forum, as if they are somehow not a method of conveying story and entertainment like the stuff in the Media Lounge forum. I hate seeing moderators make casual comments that tabletop RPGs are inherently better than videogames. I hate the general feel of hostility and unwelcomness this forum has towards me and my hobbies. The WotC boards are light-years ahead of this place in that regard.Ugh, sorry about that rant...What irony are you talking about? One is the consequence of the other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 4596596, member: 32536"] I don't see [i]how[/i] you could expect me to feel the same way even if you wanted to, since I don't think anyone here even has a clue what you mean when you say that. That is my point. By saying "4E has a videogamey feel", you are essentially saying nothing that means anything to anyone, other than making the vague implication that "videogamey is bad" (which indirectly insults those who like videogames). Feelings are subjective, sure, but you are not even making an [i]attempt[/i] to explain your feelings. I can't either share your feelings or disagree with them, because you [i]have not conveyed them[/i]. I mean, someone can say "I don't like 4E". However, it is perfectly reasonable to ask that person "why do you think 4E is bad?" as a response. There [i]has[/i] to be some kind of reason for that subjective opinion. Usually, answering that question results in some kind of discussion, at least. Certainly, it is impossible to say that two people who say "I don't like 4E" actually agree on [i]why[/i]. One person may not like 4E because it wasn't similar to 3E, and another may not like it because it is too similar to 3E. Simply knowing that they don't like 4E doesn't get anyone closer to understanding each other. Saying "4E is Videogamey" is even less clear than saying "I don't like 4E". After all, it presupposes some idea of what "videogamey", or even "videogame" subjectively means to the speaker, which is impossible for anyone else to decipher without any context. Honestly, if it were not for the fact that most people seem to link "4E is videogamey" with "I don't like 4E", I would think that they were complimenting the game... What is more, just like with the "I don't like 4E", there is usually a specific reason for that feeling, which simply doesn't get explained. I don't even want to get into how using "4E is videogamey" as a response to "why don't you like 4E?" is horribly vague... As for why I am being "horribly obtuse" about the subject... I am a videogame fan. I have played hundreds upon hundreds of videogames, and I despise how people on this forum tend to be so incredibly dismissive and elitist towards the medium. I see a lot of crude stereotypes and insults thrown around that have no merit, and I get sick and tired of it. I hate how videogames get lumped into the "Software and D&D utilities" forum, as if they are somehow [i]not[/i] a method of conveying story and entertainment like the stuff in the Media Lounge forum. I hate seeing [i]moderators[/i] make casual comments that tabletop RPGs are inherently better than videogames. I hate the general feel of hostility and unwelcomness this forum has towards me and my hobbies. The WotC boards are light-years ahead of this place in that regard. Ugh, sorry about that rant... What irony are you talking about? One is the consequence of the other. [/QUOTE]

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