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<blockquote data-quote="TanisFrey" data-source="post: 5459181" data-attributes="member: 26948">The 1ed system of non-weapon proficiency were better than 2ed one, alto the 3ed skill system is my preferred method.1ed NWP systemthe Non-weapon proficiency were first seen in the Oriental Adventures and expanded for the standard game with the Wilderness Survival Guide and the Dungeonirs Survival Guide.They gave you a base number then you would lower that by the additional number slots added to that NWP to find you base chance of success (to a minimum number of 3).&nbsp; You had to roll over this number to success.&nbsp; Some NWP were considered difficult to learn and cost you 2 slots to learn, but only 1 to improve.&nbsp; In cases of contested rolls you keep on rolling until someone failed.2ed NWP system.Not everyone got those three books and added them to their game.&nbsp; So, they reworked and added them as an optional system in core books, if I remember correctly.&nbsp; They were worse rules than the 1ed system.&nbsp; Each NWP had a ability score with a modifier to find you base score.&nbsp; You would then want to roll under your score.&nbsp; You could increase you base score by adding slots.&nbsp; Contested rolls were deterred by whom ever rolled higher but not too high.I always disliked the fact that a dancer with high dex and minimal training was better than the average dex dancer who poured her heart out in training in the second ed system.&nbsp; You stat was far too important to you base skill.&nbsp; Add in the contested skill where you wanted to roll high but not too high was screwy.3ed Skill systemYou buy ranks with a modifier from your raw ability.&nbsp; Success is deterred by taking your skill total modifier and adding a d20 roll and getting higher score than a DC based on your task.&nbsp; Contested rolls have also been simplifies whom ever gets a higher score win.Both you natural ability and your training are important in this system.&nbsp; Eventually your training will be more important that you natural ability.&nbsp; In order to dance Swan Lake you need raw ability and practice to preform it right.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TanisFrey, post: 5459181, member: 26948"] The 1ed system of non-weapon proficiency were better than 2ed one, alto the 3ed skill system is my preferred method. 1ed NWP system the Non-weapon proficiency were first seen in the Oriental Adventures and expanded for the standard game with the Wilderness Survival Guide and the Dungeonirs Survival Guide. They gave you a base number then you would lower that by the additional number slots added to that NWP to find you base chance of success (to a minimum number of 3). You had to roll over this number to success. Some NWP were considered difficult to learn and cost you 2 slots to learn, but only 1 to improve. In cases of contested rolls you keep on rolling until someone failed. 2ed NWP system. Not everyone got those three books and added them to their game. So, they reworked and added them as an optional system in core books, if I remember correctly. They were worse rules than the 1ed system. Each NWP had a ability score with a modifier to find you base score. You would then want to roll under your score. You could increase you base score by adding slots. Contested rolls were deterred by whom ever rolled higher but not too high. I always disliked the fact that a dancer with high dex and minimal training was better than the average dex dancer who poured her heart out in training in the second ed system. You stat was far too important to you base skill. Add in the contested skill where you wanted to roll high but not too high was screwy. 3ed Skill system You buy ranks with a modifier from your raw ability. Success is deterred by taking your skill total modifier and adding a d20 roll and getting higher score than a DC based on your task. Contested rolls have also been simplifies whom ever gets a higher score win. Both you natural ability and your training are important in this system. Eventually your training will be more important that you natural ability. In order to dance Swan Lake you need raw ability and practice to preform it right. [/QUOTE]

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