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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thia Halmades" data-source="post: 2664966" data-attributes="member: 35863">Aus_Snow: I have the distinct impression of talking to a wall about this with you.  We're talking about (WE, all of us in this thread, in this case) morality.  So I'll back it up, as you say:That seems pretty clear cut to me; this is what I've been saying the whole time.  I don't know what you would consider "backing it up."  In fact, rereading my posts, it's remarkably clear to me (the author) that I'm talking about adherence to a code.  You can't tell me to "back it up" without being clear about what you're challenging.There is a clearly and plainly defined reason why.  Because good, by definition:We can also look at the SRD in regards to this question:So when I say "What we call evil" I'm referring to the collective subconcious definition we (you, me, anyone who's read a book, watched a movie, what we learn from merely being alive) use every day as a measure of Good (doing right) and Evil (doing wrong).  If you insist (as you are) on tying me down and screaming "HA!" when you think you've pinned me into a corner in order to support your point, you're going to be running around quite a bit.  This is largely because we're talking about my opinion based on experience and understanding of the storytelling and moralistic qualities of Good vs. Evil, combined with the definitions I've cited above.People with no qualms - with no moral obligation to uphold a higher law - are capable of more varied actions and patterns because they aren't adhering to any sort of moral limitation.  To not harm, to not interfere, to not cause damage to the innocent.  When you remove society, its laws and your need to follow those laws to be considered a good citizen, you have a whole new world of options open up for you.  And that's what I was saying before, and that's supported by the SRD.It's extremely easy for you to merely reject out of hand any "evidence" that I have; but these are moralistic variances.  From a storytelling standpoint, Evil doesn't make personal sacrifices to aid others.  You seem to be saying "Yes it can."  And as I mentioned, I yield that point under the correct circumstances (which you seem to have edited out of your rebuttal; I've already acknowledged this).  So before you continually insist that I "back it up" you need to be far more clear what will qualify, for you, as evidence.I've cited the dictionary and the SRD; so we are discussing simple definitions.  If you choose to disagree with me, by all means, you're invited to do so.  But don't disagree and put up a straw man argument claiming that I haven't supported my point.</blockquote>

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