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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9199534" data-attributes="member: 42582">Seize by  Force could factor into any physical action-oriented story or situation. Seduce/Manipulate seems like it could fit into noir as much as into post-apocalyptic. These don't seem very genre-trope-y to me.I don't know what games you have in mind. What you describe isn't part of Apocalypse World as written. There's no MC-move Show the character's lack of competence, and the relevant principle is in fact Be a fan of the characters.Eg pp 192 (Acting Under Fire), 194 (Going Aggro):Keeler the gunlugger’s taken off her shoes and she’s sneaking into Dremmer’s camp, armed as they say to the upper teeth. If they hear her, she’s <in trouble>. (On a 7–9, maybe I give her an ugly choice between alerting the camp and murdering an innocent teenage sentry.) She hits the roll with an 8, so the ugly choice it is. “There’s some kid out here, huddled under this flimsy tin roof with a mug of who-knows-what. You think you’re past him but he startles and looks right at you. You can kill him before he makes a noise, but you’ll have to do it right this second. Do you?” “Yes, duh,” she says. “Great. You leave him dead and make your way in. You’re crouching down by a big piece of fallen wall, looking into Dremmer’s camp. He’s eating with a couple other guys, they have no idea you’re here.” Keeler’s hidden in a little nest outside Dremmer’s compound, she’s been watching the compound courtyard through the scope of her rifle. When I say that this guy Balls sits down in there with his lunch, “there he is,” her player says. They have history. “I blow his brains out.” She hits the roll with a 9, so I get to choose. I choose to have him barricade himself securely in: “no brains, but he leaves his lunch and scrambles into the compound, squeaking. He won’t be coming out again any time soon.” I make a note to myself, on my front sheet for Dremmer’s gang, that Balls is taking himself off active duty. I think that we might never see him again.Success-with-a-cost isn't really an element of Apocalypse World, I don't think.</blockquote>

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