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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 9201336" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>There's no meta-discussion here! </p><p>GM: What do you do?</p><p>PL: I smash him in the face until he does what I want! </p><p>GM: Roll Go Aggro...</p><p></p><p>Now if you said "I raise my fist like I might hit him." then you're trying to Manipulate. If the opponent is a big tough guy, forget it, he's not afraid and he probably laughs in your face, but if you actually have some leverage there? If, for whatever reason, the other guy doesn't WANT to fight? Well, then you can toss your Manipulate dice. I mean, GENERALLY I would think the proper approach here, where violence is almost always at least a mildly credible threat, that the GM would just trigger the Manipulate check and let that settle the issue of how afraid the other party is, but my point is, your 45Kg Brainer is probably not going to intimidate some big tough and I don't think a roll to produce a result that is absurd is needed there. </p><p></p><p>The point is, YOU CHOOSE, will you hit him, or are you just bluffing? If you're going to follow through you need to decide because realistically once something like that starts you aren't changing your mind an instant later. If what you REALLY wanted was to push it and not actually attack until you know exactly where its going? Well, you CAN threaten, that's one move, and then when that fails, you can always go back and follow through! This is going to play out as the character CHANGING HIS MIND, see?!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 9201336, member: 82106"] There's no meta-discussion here! GM: What do you do? PL: I smash him in the face until he does what I want! GM: Roll Go Aggro... Now if you said "I raise my fist like I might hit him." then you're trying to Manipulate. If the opponent is a big tough guy, forget it, he's not afraid and he probably laughs in your face, but if you actually have some leverage there? If, for whatever reason, the other guy doesn't WANT to fight? Well, then you can toss your Manipulate dice. I mean, GENERALLY I would think the proper approach here, where violence is almost always at least a mildly credible threat, that the GM would just trigger the Manipulate check and let that settle the issue of how afraid the other party is, but my point is, your 45Kg Brainer is probably not going to intimidate some big tough and I don't think a roll to produce a result that is absurd is needed there. The point is, YOU CHOOSE, will you hit him, or are you just bluffing? If you're going to follow through you need to decide because realistically once something like that starts you aren't changing your mind an instant later. If what you REALLY wanted was to push it and not actually attack until you know exactly where its going? Well, you CAN threaten, that's one move, and then when that fails, you can always go back and follow through! This is going to play out as the character CHANGING HIS MIND, see?! [/QUOTE]
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