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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 1942477" data-attributes="member: 9254"><p>Actually, 4 CR11s are a CR15, CR15+CR16=CR17. Your psion10/halfdragon has an ECL so he's actually 13th. If the rest of the party has ECLs and averages 13 then that was a "challenging, high risk" encounter from the DMG but suitable for a boss/master villain. I throw similar challenges at my party when it's time for them to earn their pay. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As others have stated, your saves are higher. +7/+3/+3 plus the +4/+4/+4 from the cloak plus your con bonus/dex bonus/wisdom bonus. He had the spell and it's an excellent spell; it intimidates the bejeezus out of the rest of the party, provides defense, and it took you out. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Simulacrum is a 7th level spell. If he can throw that he can toss a Prismatic Spray. The party caster should have immediately raised the "holy crap, that can suck!" flag. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well....yeah! His only other option was to continue the assault and kill the rest of the party. His wizard was inconvenienced by your PCs and now he's going to make you pay for being pains. You've basically been spanked for being unruly children running around someone else's house. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You were in the door, you were still standing. IMC the party trades off who has to be the punching bag. The fighter, monk, paladin, and rogue change places taking blows while the cleric fires off Heal spells. </p><p></p><p>As far as abusing one person, if you volunteer to be the punching bag (say by leaping into a doorway) then you get to enjoy the experience. In one fight the monk lost 10 stat points, got a Greater Restoration and lost another 6 stat points before the fight ended. Why? he kept grappling the energy-draining monster to lower it's AC enough that the rest of the party could kill it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yup, that's it. IMC the ogre got attacked a lot because he seemed like the biggest threat. If the fight lasted long enough the bad guys would realize the human fighter was the most dangerous one and dogpile on him. If they thought he was too dangerous, they'd kill other PCs to make escape routes. </p><p></p><p>As far as the rest goes, there's a balancing act. Your DM did not slaughter the entire party, though it sounds like he could have. He did not, for instance, fire off a SunBurst and possibly blind the entire party. He did not Mass Charm the entire group. </p><p></p><p>He instead taught the party a lesson, via your corpse and furthered the plot. Your PC will return and you will either have a better view of how this DM runs a game or you will die again and again and again. On the plus side, that's trauma the rest of the party won't have to deal with.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 1942477, member: 9254"] Actually, 4 CR11s are a CR15, CR15+CR16=CR17. Your psion10/halfdragon has an ECL so he's actually 13th. If the rest of the party has ECLs and averages 13 then that was a "challenging, high risk" encounter from the DMG but suitable for a boss/master villain. I throw similar challenges at my party when it's time for them to earn their pay. As others have stated, your saves are higher. +7/+3/+3 plus the +4/+4/+4 from the cloak plus your con bonus/dex bonus/wisdom bonus. He had the spell and it's an excellent spell; it intimidates the bejeezus out of the rest of the party, provides defense, and it took you out. Simulacrum is a 7th level spell. If he can throw that he can toss a Prismatic Spray. The party caster should have immediately raised the "holy crap, that can suck!" flag. Well....yeah! His only other option was to continue the assault and kill the rest of the party. His wizard was inconvenienced by your PCs and now he's going to make you pay for being pains. You've basically been spanked for being unruly children running around someone else's house. You were in the door, you were still standing. IMC the party trades off who has to be the punching bag. The fighter, monk, paladin, and rogue change places taking blows while the cleric fires off Heal spells. As far as abusing one person, if you volunteer to be the punching bag (say by leaping into a doorway) then you get to enjoy the experience. In one fight the monk lost 10 stat points, got a Greater Restoration and lost another 6 stat points before the fight ended. Why? he kept grappling the energy-draining monster to lower it's AC enough that the rest of the party could kill it. Yup, that's it. IMC the ogre got attacked a lot because he seemed like the biggest threat. If the fight lasted long enough the bad guys would realize the human fighter was the most dangerous one and dogpile on him. If they thought he was too dangerous, they'd kill other PCs to make escape routes. As far as the rest goes, there's a balancing act. Your DM did not slaughter the entire party, though it sounds like he could have. He did not, for instance, fire off a SunBurst and possibly blind the entire party. He did not Mass Charm the entire group. He instead taught the party a lesson, via your corpse and furthered the plot. Your PC will return and you will either have a better view of how this DM runs a game or you will die again and again and again. On the plus side, that's trauma the rest of the party won't have to deal with. [/QUOTE]
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