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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FireLance" data-source="post: 1891821" data-attributes="member: 3424">I can't find the reference, but conditions of shadowy illumination usually apply when outdoors with some kind of natural light, e.g. moon, stars, etc. A human can see any distance, but dimly. Creatures with low-light vision see normally, as if they are in daylight, while creatures with darkvision see normally up to the limit of their darkvision.Creatures in an area of shadowy illumination have concealment, so they can make Hide checks to remain unseen. By the book, an average troll is more dexterous than a human (Dex 14), but has no ranks in Hide. Assuming a giant troll has average Dexterity (Dex 10) and no ranks in Hide, it makes Hide checks at a -8 penalty due to its size. In addition, if it was running, an additional -20 penalty applies to its Hide checks. On the other hand, the Spot checks to find the troll are at a -12 because of distance (120 feet). Still, even in the best of circumstances (the troll rolls a natural 20), the Spot check to locate the troll should be very easy (DC 4, after factoring the penalty for distance). A creature will low-light vision should not even need to make the check since it can see as well as in daylight.No size penalty applies to Move Silently checks, but the same -20 penalty for running does. After factoring distance, it requires at most a DC 12 Listen check to hear the troll (DC 2 on an average roll of 10).If the troll was not running but standing still or moving slowly (up to half his speed) the Spot and Listen checks to find it would be an average of DC 14 and DC 22 respectively.</blockquote>

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