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<blockquote data-quote="Dark Dragon" data-source="post: 744485" data-attributes="member: 1115">Hi,second session under a new DM, again a question quite trivial, IMHO (for the first question, see the Gloves of Storing thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />).Well, here we go: Last session, the party fought a hard battle with a bunch of fighter trolls. One of the party's rogue (an elf)&nbsp; ganged up with the paladin to flank a troll....Me: I try to sneak him with my rapier. The troll is fighting the paladin, so...DM: You can attack the troll, but because you can't reach a vital spot, you don't deal sneak damage.Me: What? The troll is 9 ft tall, my elf over 5 ft and he can't reach a vital spot? Are his kidneys or 'nads not vital??DM: No, take the picture in the PHB (showing monster sizes). So, you can't sneak attack a larger creature, because you can't attack a vital spot.Player of the halfling: So, my halfling can't sneak attack a human in melee combat??DM: No. Period.??? WTF???I don't post the rest of the discussion here. We were quite unhappy <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f621.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":mad:" title="Mad&nbsp; &nbsp; :mad:"&nbsp; data-smilie="4"data-shortname=":mad:" /> about that ruling that weakens the rogues again. I should mention that the rogue players proposed a house rule that allows only one sneak attack per round (because it needs high accuracy and thus can be used only once. Remaining attacks are used normally).So, here's my question: Is there any ruling that says what (and where) vital spots are? Just to convince the DM by using the rules...Or should he take part in a course for anatomy?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dark Dragon, post: 744485, member: 1115"] Hi, second session under a new DM, again a question quite trivial, IMHO (for the first question, see the Gloves of Storing thread ;)). Well, here we go: Last session, the party fought a hard battle with a bunch of fighter trolls. One of the party's rogue (an elf) ganged up with the paladin to flank a troll.... Me: I try to sneak him with my rapier. The troll is fighting the paladin, so... DM: You can attack the troll, but because you can't reach a vital spot, you don't deal sneak damage. Me: What? The troll is 9 ft tall, my elf over 5 ft and he can't reach a vital spot? Are his kidneys or 'nads not vital?? DM: No, take the picture in the PHB (showing monster sizes). So, you can't sneak attack a larger creature, because you can't attack a vital spot. Player of the halfling: So, my halfling can't sneak attack a human in melee combat?? DM: No. Period. ??? WTF??? I don't post the rest of the discussion here. We were quite unhappy :mad: about that ruling that weakens the rogues again. I should mention that the rogue players proposed a house rule that allows only one sneak attack per round (because it needs high accuracy and thus can be used only once. Remaining attacks are used normally). So, here's my question: Is there any ruling that says what (and where) vital spots are? Just to convince the DM by using the rules...Or should he take part in a course for anatomy? [/QUOTE]

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