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Vital spot OR Can a halfling sneak attack a human?
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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 744755" data-attributes="member: 158"><p>All I can say is what others have - you need to come up with a consensus for your group.</p><p></p><p>As a way of help, I offer this interpretation of the SRD passage:</p><p></p><p></p><p>This obviously refers to creatures such as slimes, oozes, constructs, etc. Even beholders have a discernable anatomy, discernable specifically meaning "one part is able to be determined as different from another part." As long as the creatures has organs, flesh, and a circulatory system that still perform functions, it can be considered as "discernable."</p><p></p><p></p><p>This clause makes the first even clearer, eliminating even undead and animate objects.</p><p></p><p>Now the tricky part. The bodies of vertebrates are RIFE with vital spots - most martial arts and military forces will tell you this. The ability to reach a vital in my opinion refers more to creatures that are completely beyond reach with your weapon than creatures who are a few feet taller. Otherwise, as an earlier poster said, Dragons and all huge or colossal creatures are completely immune to critical hits and sneak attacks, because vitals are impossible to reach under most circumstances.</p><p></p><p>Concealment applies directly to being able to SEE the vitals, but striking the limbs in my opinion refers to ATTACKING APPENDAGES, in the case of reach and threat range, not that no limbs have vitals, which is not valid to say. See my above comment on the abundance of vitals in a body.</p><p></p><p>Finally, ask him to examine if he thinks vitals should be unreachable by a halfling. The example of a human attacking a hill giant unless someone corrects me I don't think comes from 3rd edition, I think it comes from 2nd: </p><p> - player's handbook, 2nd edition</p><p></p><p>If a halfling were only able to sneak attack size small or smaller creatures, this makes the most important combat ability of the primary class of halflings unusable, which does not make common sense to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Henry, post: 744755, member: 158"] All I can say is what others have - you need to come up with a consensus for your group. As a way of help, I offer this interpretation of the SRD passage: This obviously refers to creatures such as slimes, oozes, constructs, etc. Even beholders have a discernable anatomy, discernable specifically meaning "one part is able to be determined as different from another part." As long as the creatures has organs, flesh, and a circulatory system that still perform functions, it can be considered as "discernable." This clause makes the first even clearer, eliminating even undead and animate objects. Now the tricky part. The bodies of vertebrates are RIFE with vital spots - most martial arts and military forces will tell you this. The ability to reach a vital in my opinion refers more to creatures that are completely beyond reach with your weapon than creatures who are a few feet taller. Otherwise, as an earlier poster said, Dragons and all huge or colossal creatures are completely immune to critical hits and sneak attacks, because vitals are impossible to reach under most circumstances. Concealment applies directly to being able to SEE the vitals, but striking the limbs in my opinion refers to ATTACKING APPENDAGES, in the case of reach and threat range, not that no limbs have vitals, which is not valid to say. See my above comment on the abundance of vitals in a body. Finally, ask him to examine if he thinks vitals should be unreachable by a halfling. The example of a human attacking a hill giant unless someone corrects me I don't think comes from 3rd edition, I think it comes from 2nd: - player's handbook, 2nd edition If a halfling were only able to sneak attack size small or smaller creatures, this makes the most important combat ability of the primary class of halflings unusable, which does not make common sense to me. [/QUOTE]
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