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<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 3732327" data-attributes="member: 13107">Hey, I like that reasoning.&nbsp; But! Where are the rules for making saving throws specified for an unconscious character?To change the scenario ...A party encounters an NPC cleric of a strange and forgotten god.&nbsp; Receiving an offering, the cleric agrees to heal a party member, but with a non-harmless spell that inflicts a temporary loss of fortitude.&nbsp; (Say, -2 to CON for a day in exchange for 3d8 + 7 HP.)&nbsp; The cleric explains that the fighter must &quot;consent&quot; or the spell may fail.Now, the offering is&nbsp; of a forbidden elder fruit.&nbsp; This offends the cleric, who will cast slay living instead of the requested spell.All party members are given knowledge (religion) checks to tell if the correct offering is made, and are given sense motive checks to tell if the cleric is pleased by the offering, and the party spell casters can use spellcraft to verify what spell is being cast.In this case, assuming that all of these checks fail, then my result is that the fighter does not get a saving throw.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 3732327, member: 13107"] Hey, I like that reasoning. But! Where are the rules for making saving throws specified for an unconscious character? To change the scenario ... A party encounters an NPC cleric of a strange and forgotten god. Receiving an offering, the cleric agrees to heal a party member, but with a non-harmless spell that inflicts a temporary loss of fortitude. (Say, -2 to CON for a day in exchange for 3d8 + 7 HP.) The cleric explains that the fighter must "consent" or the spell may fail. Now, the offering is of a forbidden elder fruit. This offends the cleric, who will cast [I]slay living[/I] instead of the requested spell. All party members are given knowledge (religion) checks to tell if the correct offering is made, and are given sense motive checks to tell if the cleric is pleased by the offering, and the party spell casters can use [I]spellcraft[/i] to verify what spell is being cast. In this case, assuming that all of these checks fail, then my result is that the fighter does [b]not[/b] get a saving throw. [/QUOTE]

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