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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3732363" data-attributes="member: 1656">From the Magic Overview:Voluntarily Giving up a Saving Throw: A creature can voluntarily forego a saving throw and willingly accept a spell’s result.but also(harmless): The spell is usually beneficial, not harmful, but a targeted creature can attempt a saving throw if it desires.So ordinarily, a saving throw is simply something that happens, but you can voluntarily forego your save.&nbsp; 'Voluntarily foregoing' requires a decision, and an unconscious character is in no position to make decisions.However, if the spell if [harmless], the targeted creature only attempts a saving throw 'if it desires'.&nbsp; Desire to attempt a save requires a decision, and an unconscious character is in no position to make decisions.I'd agree with this; since the spell he expected to receive is not [harmless], he was required to make the conscious choice to forego his save in order to allow it to take automatic effect.&nbsp; The fact that the spell cast on him isn't what he expected doesn't change that he's foregone his save against the spell the cleric is casting.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3732363, member: 1656"] From the Magic Overview: [i]Voluntarily Giving up a Saving Throw: A creature can voluntarily forego a saving throw and willingly accept a spell’s result.[/i] but also [i](harmless): The spell is usually beneficial, not harmful, but a targeted creature can attempt a saving throw if it desires.[/i] So ordinarily, a saving throw is simply something that happens, but you can voluntarily forego your save. 'Voluntarily foregoing' requires a decision, and an unconscious character is in no position to make decisions. However, if the spell if [harmless], the targeted creature only attempts a saving throw 'if it desires'. Desire to attempt a save requires a decision, and an unconscious character is in no position to make decisions. I'd agree with this; since the spell he expected to receive is not [harmless], he was required to make the conscious choice to forego his save in order to allow it to take automatic effect. The fact that the spell cast on him isn't what he expected doesn't change that he's foregone his save against the spell the cleric is casting. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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