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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nac_Mac_Feegle" data-source="post: 2786263" data-attributes="member: 32300">People seem to be awfully pedantic about VoP, I would go as far to say, thier argumentative nature is so disruptive that the BoED isnt for them, given the maturity required to adapt it to your setting.A fighter gets a sword from VoP, but its cant be masterworked or anything else, putting the Kensai PrC right out the picture. He gets an AC bonus as he levels from the VoP so he doesnt need armour, which is expressely forbidden by VoP anyway.A 20th level monk, wiht a VoP in simple robes is wearing a fortune, why? because his deeds will be so legendary, people will pay extreme amounts of money to own something he/she wore, now how do you adjudicate that?.Your allowed to carry a days worth of food and drink, and suddenly your in a famine striken country, that food/drink is suddenly worth 10 times its amount.A monks weapons are only exotic to non monks, otherwise 90% of monk weapons are simple weapons (what could be more simple than 2 pieces of wood put together at right angles)There is absolutely no reason why any class cannot take the VoP, and still be effective, the trick here is to understand what the vow means, understand its spirirt, and work within those guidlines.To discount the spellbook for a mage is a house rule, nothing more, and if you make that call, then thats how it is for your world, but there are plenty of reason, within the spirit of the vow, as to why a mage might have a spellbook, and still donate all his money to charity, and only carry with him what he needs to survive (food, drink, clothing and a spellbook)If you want to be RAW about it, the rules themselves are wrong, because you would not be anything but a monk with VoP, because a true VoP person would carry no gear at all, no spell component pouch, no simple weapon, nothing, a true VoP is to forsake ALL material possesions, so an adventuring VoP is almost anthema to the idea of VoP, except for perhaps the monk, or the unarmed fighter.In essence, VoP would be an NPC peasant only thing, but its not, its been done to add a different flavour/characetr concept, and therefore, the idea of VoP iteself has been broken before it starts by allowing simple weapons and spell pouches, so to argue you may have nothing else because it doesnt follow VoP by RAW is an exercise in futility.Sorry to sound so aggresive, but it strikes me that some poeple are being deliberately obtrusive about the RAW of VoP, or simply just dont get it. But if you dont get it, dont use it.Feegle Out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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