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<blockquote data-quote="Nac_Mac_Feegle" data-source="post: 2786332" data-attributes="member: 32300"><p>In this case you are perfectly correct, when you look at the bonus' a VoP character gets, it almost screams of a melee class, spellcasters using defense spells stacked with VoP bonus' is quite extreme, but maybe not as extreme as a Monk</p><p></p><p>My Vop Monk stacked his abilitiy scores he got from VoP in this order</p><p></p><p>Wisdom/Dexterity/Constitution/Strength</p><p></p><p>HIs AC got ridiculous for a robe wearing class, as his widsom bonus stacked wiht dex bonus to AC, his stunning fist got extremely powerful, he was very very good, and I would say, he was better off 90% of the time than an equal level character with non-vop, the only place he fell down was on incorporeal creatures, but his number of attacks almost made up for it.</p><p></p><p>If a mage started of wiht intelligence 16, by 20th lvl via VoP and putting all his level ability scores into intelligence, he would have 28 or 30 intelligence, now I tried a speculative sorceror.</p><p></p><p>I planned humna from level 1, so I could VoP straight away, and my prestige class i would aim for would be dragon disciple, and gave myself the generous charisma of 18 to start wiht, at 20 my charisma from 10 sorceror/10 dragon disciple wiht VoP would be 32, the amount of extra spells was staggering, and perhaps, to unbalancing</p><p></p><p>I would still like to try it sometime, but I think the monk was already to good.</p><p></p><p>I do agree its to add flavour, and therefore needs to be looked at in that light, but a lot of the arguments over "value" are niether here nor there, like beauty, value is also in the eye of the beholder (or eyes <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )</p><p></p><p>Feegle Out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool :cool:" data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nac_Mac_Feegle, post: 2786332, member: 32300"] In this case you are perfectly correct, when you look at the bonus' a VoP character gets, it almost screams of a melee class, spellcasters using defense spells stacked with VoP bonus' is quite extreme, but maybe not as extreme as a Monk My Vop Monk stacked his abilitiy scores he got from VoP in this order Wisdom/Dexterity/Constitution/Strength HIs AC got ridiculous for a robe wearing class, as his widsom bonus stacked wiht dex bonus to AC, his stunning fist got extremely powerful, he was very very good, and I would say, he was better off 90% of the time than an equal level character with non-vop, the only place he fell down was on incorporeal creatures, but his number of attacks almost made up for it. If a mage started of wiht intelligence 16, by 20th lvl via VoP and putting all his level ability scores into intelligence, he would have 28 or 30 intelligence, now I tried a speculative sorceror. I planned humna from level 1, so I could VoP straight away, and my prestige class i would aim for would be dragon disciple, and gave myself the generous charisma of 18 to start wiht, at 20 my charisma from 10 sorceror/10 dragon disciple wiht VoP would be 32, the amount of extra spells was staggering, and perhaps, to unbalancing I would still like to try it sometime, but I think the monk was already to good. I do agree its to add flavour, and therefore needs to be looked at in that light, but a lot of the arguments over "value" are niether here nor there, like beauty, value is also in the eye of the beholder (or eyes :) ) Feegle Out :cool: [/QUOTE]
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