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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nac_Mac_Feegle" data-source="post: 2786485" data-attributes="member: 32300">I suggest a monk level or 2 for when you get 9th level spells, your going to need the flexability to tattoo the only areas of your body left <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Fighter : Whys the mage drops his pants and shoved his head between his legsCleric : He just learnt "Finger of death" and its the only available space he had left to put itFighter : EwRogue : EwDruid : Ewand so onSeroiusly though, some would still argue that you need ink etc to write the tattoo, and therby violate the RAW of VoP again.I realise a lot of VoP is considered house rules, but when you take a concept and try to make rules for it, such as both books, Vile Darkness and Exalted Deeds, the spirirt of the rules is intrinsic, and cant just be dismissed as house rules so people cant discuss them here, both books are not RAW manuals, but flavour/ideas books, and as such, cn and should be discussed here in the rules section.I firmly believe the guys who wrote these books may have to rethink some of thier material, a they havent obviously taken into account the ingenuity of players, and the massive grey areas thrown up when such simple questions like "Spell Books" come about.I do agree wiht some posters that some classes benefit more than other from VoP, and some classes will find it extremely hard to play (like the mage in this example) but I dont think any class should be excluded from VoP, just means more work/conceptualisation on the part of both DM and Player, but I think it could work, by outright banning a class requirement (spell book) you are saying that in no way ever, could a wizard walk the path of freedom from worldy concerns.Maybe let the wizard take a feat of "Photographic Memory" he still has to re-learn the spells each day (different from the sorcerors spontaneous casting of anything he knows) stipulating how many times he has channeled himeself to each spell (how can you actually memorise magic missile more than once?) so he is still limited to a certain number of spells each day.It does away with a spell book, he of course wont be able to take VoP until 3rd level (!st levle feats : Sacred Vow & Photogaphic Memory) but with the stipulation that he must live to a Vow of Poverty from 1st level. It would be enough of a hinderance to prove his conviction, but his VoP benefits wont kick in till 3rd levelFeegle Out <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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