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Message: <blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 2787458" data-attributes="member: 16285">I think we are on the same side of this discussion, but only disagreeing about a few fine points and making them mountains when they should be mole hills.Here are the 2 applicable pieces of text.From the Wizard class description:From the magic overview section:Again the two texts do not say they must be added only that by learning them in this way they can be added to her spellbook.  “for” and “to add to” do not state only added to.  Now if the wizard doesn’t add them to her spellbook they are mostly useless since she can’t cast them without a spellbook to study, unless of course she goes the Spell Mastery route.Well I pointed out that there are two things there.One to decipher the spell and then another to learn the spell.To me “learn” means “to know”.So once the spellcraft check is made the wizard now “knows” the spell in question. There is no mention of having to place it into her spellbook in order to know it.Not exactly, it states that a VoP caster can’t cast a spell from a scroll, wand or staff. And can't own or use any material possessions  The Voluntary Poverty section talks about begging expensive material components from other party members so there is at least something to hang onto here.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Actually this one is incorrect, well subject to debate anyway. A spellbook is not a magical item and thus a VoP wizard could borrow one. Back to that beg components from other party members issue. There at least seems to be a thread to stand on here.</blockquote>

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