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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2793396" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Yep...my bad- I actually had it right in the thread I linked to. Remember kids- your brain going to mush is the first sign of old age. Your brains going to feed zombies is the first sign of a George Romero movie.</p><p></p><p></p><p>A spell component pouch, when purchased, costs 5gp, and specifically states:</p><p></p><p></p><p>Some have interpreted that to mean that because it doesn't come in the pouch when you buy it, it can never be used by a VoP PC. I disagree- the game mechanics of the spell component pouch state that it essentially acts like a "decanter of endless spell components" for inexpensive, easy to acquire spell components. It would make no sense for the same mechanics to apply for expensive/unique components, thus, they must be seperately acquired. It also makes no sense to say that you can't put other, more expensive or unusual components in it.</p><p></p><p>The true problem of expensive components & VoP PCs is their expense- hence the paragraph about begging for components. In my application of the VoP, the ascetic may acquire expensive components a variety of ways- so long as he's not hoarding wealth to BUY them, I'm ok with his bartering services, or asking that a particular portion (such as a pearl) of the party's newly found treasure be given to him for use as components. (Note: the same section that talks about ascetics borrowing components ALSO mentions that such PCs be given their share of party treasure- they must dispense of it in accord with their vow, however.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll sit on the fence on this one- the vow DOES explicitly limit the ascetic to simple weapons, but the daisho IS a central part of being a samurai. Then again, so is the honor of keeping vows. And, as others have stated, there are stories of daisho-less samurai.</p><p></p><p>Basically, if the player can give me justification for keeping it, I'd let that one slide.</p><p></p><p>Cabral is also right that he could conceivably bear it as a caretaker of his family honor without using it, until someone else becomes worthy of bearing the daisho <em>as weapons.</em></p><p></p><p>However, I could just as easily see a Samurai surrendering his daisho either to someone else in his family, or to the caretaking of a temple- to be reclaimed by him only under certain circumstances, like the direct order of the entity to whom he has made the VoP, or to transfer it to another family member.</p><p></p><p>In some of the stories of daisho-less samurai I have read- historical and fiction- the daisho were indeed ensconced in temples. In some cases, they remained there for decades, until reclaimed by someone else in the samurai's family.</p><p></p><p>I could also see the samurai destroying them 1) to prevent their being sullied by lesser persons, or 2) as a condition of (and demonstration of the depth of their devotion to) their Vow.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 2793396, member: 19675"] Yep...my bad- I actually had it right in the thread I linked to. Remember kids- your brain going to mush is the first sign of old age. Your brains going to feed zombies is the first sign of a George Romero movie. A spell component pouch, when purchased, costs 5gp, and specifically states: Some have interpreted that to mean that because it doesn't come in the pouch when you buy it, it can never be used by a VoP PC. I disagree- the game mechanics of the spell component pouch state that it essentially acts like a "decanter of endless spell components" for inexpensive, easy to acquire spell components. It would make no sense for the same mechanics to apply for expensive/unique components, thus, they must be seperately acquired. It also makes no sense to say that you can't put other, more expensive or unusual components in it. The true problem of expensive components & VoP PCs is their expense- hence the paragraph about begging for components. In my application of the VoP, the ascetic may acquire expensive components a variety of ways- so long as he's not hoarding wealth to BUY them, I'm ok with his bartering services, or asking that a particular portion (such as a pearl) of the party's newly found treasure be given to him for use as components. (Note: the same section that talks about ascetics borrowing components ALSO mentions that such PCs be given their share of party treasure- they must dispense of it in accord with their vow, however.) I'll sit on the fence on this one- the vow DOES explicitly limit the ascetic to simple weapons, but the daisho IS a central part of being a samurai. Then again, so is the honor of keeping vows. And, as others have stated, there are stories of daisho-less samurai. Basically, if the player can give me justification for keeping it, I'd let that one slide. Cabral is also right that he could conceivably bear it as a caretaker of his family honor without using it, until someone else becomes worthy of bearing the daisho [I]as weapons.[/I] However, I could just as easily see a Samurai surrendering his daisho either to someone else in his family, or to the caretaking of a temple- to be reclaimed by him only under certain circumstances, like the direct order of the entity to whom he has made the VoP, or to transfer it to another family member. In some of the stories of daisho-less samurai I have read- historical and fiction- the daisho were indeed ensconced in temples. In some cases, they remained there for decades, until reclaimed by someone else in the samurai's family. I could also see the samurai destroying them 1) to prevent their being sullied by lesser persons, or 2) as a condition of (and demonstration of the depth of their devotion to) their Vow. [/QUOTE]
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