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<blockquote data-quote="Scrivener of Doom" data-source="post: 6513414" data-attributes="member: 87576"><p>That's what I thought about being a lead designer but then I look at both the incomplete <em>Iron Heroes</em> and <em>Heroes of Shadow</em>, the latter being a late era 4E book that came out at a time when all the other designers seemed to be getting better at 4E. </p><p></p><p>And that segues into your points about <em>Keep on the Shadowfell</em> and <em>Pyramid of Shadow</em> (not <em>Thunderspire</em>): I don't think he ever really grokked 4E in a way Chris Perkins or Rich Baker did. </p><p></p><p>I also remember watching him being on a panel with Chris Perkins about adventure design and while Chris was running two or more campaigns, it seems Mike was running none. And I think one of the lessons of the later years of TSR's decline is that your designers MUST be running and playing the game. That's probably even more of an issue in 4E which is such a radical departure in many ways from other editions of D&D (one of the reasons it's my favourite edition).</p><p></p><p>Anyway, for me he's the guy who killed 4E. (And I say that without bad blood or emotion. I have all the material I will ever need! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )</p><p></p><p>He ensured it had a bad beginning with Paizo's favourite adventure <em>Keep on the Shadowfell</em> - the adventure that launched a thousand Pathfinder campaigns - and then presided over Essentials, the fake revised edition that didn't even bother to have a PHB. I don't think he will screw the pooch with 5E, though: clearly more AD&D-like editions are near and dear to him... and the strategy of outsourcing adventures means he won't be writing any! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scrivener of Doom, post: 6513414, member: 87576"] That's what I thought about being a lead designer but then I look at both the incomplete [I]Iron Heroes[/I] and [I]Heroes of Shadow[/I], the latter being a late era 4E book that came out at a time when all the other designers seemed to be getting better at 4E. And that segues into your points about [I]Keep on the Shadowfell[/I] and [I]Pyramid of Shadow[/I] (not [I]Thunderspire[/I]): I don't think he ever really grokked 4E in a way Chris Perkins or Rich Baker did. I also remember watching him being on a panel with Chris Perkins about adventure design and while Chris was running two or more campaigns, it seems Mike was running none. And I think one of the lessons of the later years of TSR's decline is that your designers MUST be running and playing the game. That's probably even more of an issue in 4E which is such a radical departure in many ways from other editions of D&D (one of the reasons it's my favourite edition). Anyway, for me he's the guy who killed 4E. (And I say that without bad blood or emotion. I have all the material I will ever need! :) ) He ensured it had a bad beginning with Paizo's favourite adventure [I]Keep on the Shadowfell[/I] - the adventure that launched a thousand Pathfinder campaigns - and then presided over Essentials, the fake revised edition that didn't even bother to have a PHB. I don't think he will screw the pooch with 5E, though: clearly more AD&D-like editions are near and dear to him... and the strategy of outsourcing adventures means he won't be writing any! :) [/QUOTE]
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