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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2777519" data-attributes="member: 2011">The rules for miss chance state that the attacker rolls to hit first, then the defender rolls miss chance.But, if the attacker actually makes his to hit roll, did he actually hit if the defender makes his miss chance roll?NO, it does not mattter that he made a to hit roll.The Attacker misses. It is not that he "sort of hit". He missed. Period.That's what your argument here is like.Did he critical?NO, it does not matter that he made a critical hit roll.Why? Because the armor protected against that.We are not playing Magic the Gathering with a convulted set of "if this happens before that..." set of rules. It didn't actually happen. Just like a Sneak Attack against the armor didn't actually happen if the roll is made for the armor.The defense prevented it from happening at all, exactly like a Miss chance does. The rules are identical here. The offense rolls. If they succeed, the defense rolls to see if they actually failed.So yes, the roll can be made all you want. That still does not prevent the negation of the critical hit. It never happens if the defense prevents it, exactly like the Miss chance rules.They had to write down some order to check this out, but this does not mean that something actually happens when a rule states that it is negated.</blockquote>