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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 5358548" data-attributes="member: 111">Rare&nbsp; = character-defining, right?Holy Avenger has been represented as the archetype of &quot;rare,&quot; right?And yet, when I read through the weapon, it is hardly what I'd call &quot;The most prized weapon of any paladin.&quot;&nbsp; The old version of this in previous editions were that exactly, but this version has only one property you might not have from other sources anyway - &quot;Power (Daily): Minor Action. You and each ally within 10 squares of you gain a +5 power bonus to Fortitude, Reflex, and Will defenses until the end of your next turn.&quot;&nbsp; Very cool, granted, but hardly what I'd call &quot;character-defining,&quot; especially when it does not stack with power bonuses that may come form other leader classes.4e toned-downed magic items so that I don't think there are any that are really &quot;character-defining&quot; any more.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's not necessarily a bad thing, by the way.This is with the exception of intelligent magic items - those really can be &quot;character-defining&quot; items.&nbsp; But, then again, those did not need a &quot;rarity&quot; system as they were already special things.Holy AvengerThe most prized weapon of any paladin.Level: 25Price: 625,000 gpWeapon: Axe, Hammer, Heavy BladeEnhancement: +5 attack rolls and damage rollsCritical: +5d6 radiant damageProperty: A holy avenger deals an extra 1d10 radiant damage when the power you use to make the attack has the radiant keyword.Property: On a critical hit you can spend a healing surge.Power (Daily): Minor Action. You and each ally within 10 squares of you gain a +5 power bonus to Fortitude, Reflex, and Will defenses until the end of your next turn.Special: A holy avenger can be used as a holy symbol. It adds its enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls and the extra damage granted by its property (if applicable) when used in this manner. You do not gain your weapon proficiency bonus on an attack when using a holy avenger as an implement.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 5358548, member: 111"] Rare = character-defining, right? Holy Avenger has been represented as the archetype of "rare," right? And yet, when I read through the weapon, it is hardly what I'd call "The most prized weapon of any paladin." The old version of this in previous editions were that exactly, but this version has [B][I]only one property you might not have from other sources anyway[/I][/B] - "Power (Daily): Minor Action. You and each ally within 10 squares of you gain a +5 power bonus to Fortitude, Reflex, and Will defenses until the end of your next turn." Very cool, granted, but hardly what I'd call "character-defining," especially when it does not stack with power bonuses that may come form other leader classes. 4e toned-downed magic items so that I don't think there are [B][I]any[/I][/B] that are really "character-defining" any more. That's not necessarily a bad thing, by the way. This is with the exception of intelligent magic items - those really can be "character-defining" items. But, then again, those did not need a "rarity" system as they were already special things. Holy Avenger The most prized weapon of any paladin. Level: 25 Price: 625,000 gp Weapon: Axe, Hammer, Heavy Blade Enhancement: +5 attack rolls and damage rolls Critical: +5d6 radiant damage Property: A holy avenger deals an extra 1d10 radiant damage when the power you use to make the attack has the radiant keyword. Property: On a critical hit you can spend a healing surge. Power (Daily): Minor Action. You and each ally within 10 squares of you gain a +5 power bonus to Fortitude, Reflex, and Will defenses until the end of your next turn. Special: A holy avenger can be used as a holy symbol. It adds its enhancement bonus to attack and damage rolls and the extra damage granted by its property (if applicable) when used in this manner. You do not gain your weapon proficiency bonus on an attack when using a holy avenger as an implement. [/QUOTE]

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