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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Laurel" data-source="post: 1887536" data-attributes="member: 17067">This may end up complicating things, but could give the DM something to mess with later on <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> The character may not worship any god, but a God or Godess can choose to hear the vow and take that person in- even without them knowing about it. Since you and the DM agree that it doesn't have to have the diety however, a simple meditation of finally reaching that center calm could work very easily (as mentioned in someone else's post above). There's also always killing a loved one, by accident... I had always taken it to mean that by not standing by or simply turning his back, he has to interfear with an ally attacking a helpless foe. So if he asks them to please stop hurting that creature, and they ignore him. Then he needs to take a stronger action, his ally then is words. He may feel that everyone has a right to make thier own actions, but just as he is stopping that evil creature form doing evil deeds, to the vow takers reasoning hurting those that are helpless and defenceless is wrong as well. Thus just as the evil creature had to be stopped from hurting others, so must his allies. This does not mean he should go kill his allies, but it would be fun RP and could end in a stand off.  The questions of what if one of her allies killed it anyways all dpends on the situation. If the ally toyed with it first then killed it, the oath is broken since it could have been stopped by the oath taker. If though let's say the creature is in the rear and the vow taker in front and an ally standing next to the creature suddenly knifed it in the back.... well, the oath taker suffers no penalties then. In general I would say the creature surrendering is on thier own. You won't attack it, and neither will your allies, but you don't have to give up your life nor the life of you party, nor whatever you are trying to find/save for the surrendered enemy. You can't however impede it, like ties its hands and feet together tightly.... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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