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<blockquote data-quote="RUMBLETiGER" data-source="post: 5572773" data-attributes="member: 6674868">Beguiler is designed around non-damage dealing spells.&nbsp; Vow of Nonviolence provides a wonderful DC boost for spells.&nbsp; I'm hung up on one particular line in the Vow of Nonviolence, &quot;To fulfill your vow, you must not cause harm or suffering to humanoid or monstrous humanoid foes.&quot;&nbsp; It goes on to provide more detail about real damage and ability damage, but it's the word &quot;Suffering&quot; I get hung up on.&nbsp; Most any in-battle magical inconvenience can be construed as causing Suffering.&nbsp; To me, an extreme interpretation of this word makes the feat itself null and void, and therefore it can be limited to interpreting &quot;Suffering&quot; under the sentence that follows, referring to real and ability damage.&nbsp; Not too confusing there.But what about the Dominate Person spell?&nbsp; To take control of a humanoid or monstrous humanoid and command it to attack, does this break the vow?&nbsp; What if instead of the wording &quot;Attack&quot;, you command the individual to &quot;Defend me and my party as well as you are able&quot;?&nbsp; How about the PHBII spells Friend to Foe and Legion of Sentinels?&nbsp; The former is purely an illusion that forces opponents to attack each other, while the latter is an illusion that can actually deal damage, but only A.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f635.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt="o.O" title="Er... what?&nbsp; &nbsp; o.O"&nbsp; data-smilie="12"data-shortname="o.O" />. damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RUMBLETiGER, post: 5572773, member: 6674868"] Beguiler is designed around non-damage dealing spells. Vow of Nonviolence provides a wonderful DC boost for spells. I'm hung up on one particular line in the Vow of Nonviolence, "To fulfill your vow, you must not cause harm or suffering to humanoid or monstrous humanoid foes." It goes on to provide more detail about real damage and ability damage, but it's the word "Suffering" I get hung up on. Most any in-battle magical inconvenience can be construed as causing Suffering. To me, an extreme interpretation of this word makes the feat itself null and void, and therefore it can be limited to interpreting "Suffering" under the sentence that follows, referring to real and ability damage. Not too confusing there. But what about the [I]Dominate Person[/I] spell? To take control of a humanoid or monstrous humanoid and command it to attack, does this break the vow? What if instead of the wording "Attack", you command the individual to "Defend me and my party as well as you are able"? How about the PHBII spells [I]Friend to Foe[/I] and [I]Legion of Sentinels[/I]? The former is purely an illusion that forces opponents to attack each other, while the latter is an illusion that can actually deal damage, but only A.o.O. damage. [/QUOTE]

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