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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 1253455" data-attributes="member: 15538"> If you're looking for VoP to replace weapons, one-shot magic items, armor, or scrolls, you're SOL; if you're looking for it to replace stat-boost items and amulets of mighty fists (as most monks are), you're in luck.In any case, the point is that VoP's application differs on the kind of character to whom it's applied, not that character's ECL. A vampire fighter gets much less mileage out of VoP than does, say, a human monk of the same ECL. Game balance is not the only issue.&nbsp; You can't base it on ECL because it just makes no sense.&nbsp; There's no question Assimir make better Sorcerers than do Half-Orcs.&nbsp; There's no way to make it work otherwise.&nbsp; Notice the lack of the Brute Spellcasting Feat that allows you to use your Str for spellcasting purposes.&nbsp; Some characters are sub-optimal because the concept is sub-optimal.You can't have VOP draw its power from your lack of equipment, because that makes no sense.&nbsp; It has to come from your personal strength.&nbsp; At the bottom of it, I dislike any Feat that has such a profoundly different value for a human Monk versus an Assamir Paladin.&nbsp; It is better than the Forsaker, because it doesn't encourage the same illogical behavior.&nbsp; It still has whack results on the game.&nbsp; One Feat should not be burdened with the responsibility of eliminating an entire class of resource management for a PC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 1253455, member: 15538"] [i] If you're looking for VoP to replace weapons, one-shot magic items, armor, or scrolls, you're SOL; if you're looking for it to replace stat-boost items and amulets of mighty fists (as most monks are), you're in luck. In any case, the point is that VoP's application differs on the kind of character to whom it's applied, not that character's ECL. A vampire fighter gets much less mileage out of VoP than does, say, a human monk of the same ECL. [/i] Game balance is not the only issue. You can't base it on ECL because it just makes no sense. There's no question Assimir make better Sorcerers than do Half-Orcs. There's no way to make it work otherwise. Notice the lack of the Brute Spellcasting Feat that allows you to use your Str for spellcasting purposes. Some characters are sub-optimal because the concept is sub-optimal. You can't have VOP draw its power from your lack of equipment, because that makes no sense. It has to come from your personal strength. At the bottom of it, I dislike any Feat that has such a profoundly different value for a human Monk versus an Assamir Paladin. It is better than the Forsaker, because it doesn't encourage the same illogical behavior. It still has whack results on the game. One Feat should not be burdened with the responsibility of eliminating an entire class of resource management for a PC. [/QUOTE]

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